Why isnt this murder flagged as racist ?

#1
"Asian gang members who boasted they had killed a white man have been found guilty of murder."

Although this is a racist murder the word racist isn't mentioned,but when these racist scum later...
...."moved on to Ilford where they shouted racial abuse at a black resident who remonstrated after they damaged vehicles and set off car alarms."

So it's not racist to murder a white man but is racist to shout at a black man ?

The words double & standards spring to mind.



murder
 
#2
I agree with you entirely. I also think you are fishing to get some squaddies to say racist things so you can bubble them to the press. it aint going to happen.

I'm not being funny but after a token joke post your only other contribution has been regarding the potential use of an offensive weapon? Quite unusual so you will forgive me I hope If I treat you with a certain amount of suspiscion. I mean no offence but I think it would be a good idea if we are a little guarded about our replies to this post.
 
#4
Murder is murder no matter what colour probably isnt what you want to hear but there it is
 
#5
Lairdx said:
I also think you are fishing to get some squaddies to say racist things so you can bubble them to the press.
Then you'd be wrong. If I was fishing for racist comments I'd be posting on the knobhead BNP type websites.

I think this smacks of double standards and is wrong and shows how biased things have become.
 
#6
tricam said:
ermm... I don't understand what you are getting at....

The exact wording on the BBC index page http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/default.stm is...

Gang guilty of 'white man' death

Three Asian men, who boasted of killing a white man in a university car park, are found guilty of his murder.
Doesn't that make it quite obvious that there was a racial element to this murder????

Tricam.
My point is the word racist/racial isn't mentioned in regard to the murder of the white but is when they shouted at the black man.
 
#7
I_say_again said:
Lairdx said:
I also think you are fishing to get some squaddies to say racist things so you can bubble them to the press.
Then you'd be wrong. If I was fishing for racist comments I'd be posting on the knobhead BNP type websites.

I think this smacks of double standards and is wrong and shows how biased things have become.
I'm afraid I'm still not convinced. Sorry.
 
#9
Stop whining...


I'd imagine the reason they didn't happen to use the phrase 'racist' is because they wanted to make sure the title included the direct quote from one of the defendants 'white man'. After the attack they shouted "We have killed the white man. That will teach an Englishman to interfere in Paki business."

Title's of stories have to be reasonably short.... and "GANG GUILTY OF RACIST 'WHITE MAN' DEATH" makes no sense becasue you are repeating the fact that it a racially motivated attack.

Seems reasonable enought don't you think? Yes of course it is... now go away and stop whining...

Tricam.
 
#10
Lairdx said:
I_say_again said:
Lairdx said:
I also think you are fishing to get some squaddies to say racist things so you can bubble them to the press.
Then you'd be wrong. If I was fishing for racist comments I'd be posting on the knobhead BNP type websites.

I think this smacks of double standards and is wrong and shows how biased things have become.
I'm afraid I'm still not convinced. Sorry.
Not a problem.
 
#11
tricam said:
Stop whining...


I'd imagine the reason they didn't happen to use the phrase 'racist' is because they wanted to make sure the title included the direct quote from one of the defendants 'white man'. After the attack they shouted "We have killed the white man. That will teach an Englishman to interfere in Paki business."

Title's of stories have to be reasonably short.... and "GANG GUILTY OF RACIST 'WHITE MAN' DEATH" makes no sense becasue you are repeating the fact that it a racially motivated attack.

Seems reasonable enought don't you think? Yes of course it is... now go away and stop whining...

Tricam.
But the axe muder of the black lad was flagged as "racist murder"....you don't see the double standards ?
 

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#12
Probably also because if you read the rest of the report, the gang involved went on to assault an Asian chap and a black chap afterwards.

Less 'racist' more 'drunken' by the sound of things. Whomever they'd happened across first would have been attacked if the BBC story is correct.
 
#13
I_say_again - DID YOU READ MY FACKIN POST YOU IDIOT????.... I spent long enough typing it in so you could at least read it...

I reckon the BBC wanted to include the direct quote from one of the defendants... Including the direct quote makes it obvious to everyone there was a racial element to this... so THERE WAS NO DOUBLE STANDARDS HERE....


Now go away and stop ruining ARRSE current affairs....

Tricam.
 
#14
tricam said:
I_say_again - DID YOU READ MY FACKIN POST YOU IDIOT????.... I spent long enough typing it in so you could at least read it...

I reckon the BBC wanted to include the direct quote from one of the defendants... Including the direct quote makes it obvious to everyone there was a racial element to this... so THERE WAS NO DOUBLE STANDARDS HERE....


Now go away and stop ruining ARRSE current affairs....

Tricam.
OOOH get you, resorting to name calling, there's adult debate for you.

You can't see double standards ? never mind.
 
#15
I agree with all you.

I do think society, the press in particular, see racism as "one way". Stephen Lawrence, the black lad killed with the ice pick, the asian lad murdered at Feltham - the press always say "murdered black/asian teenager ...."

The case is question is one of the few where they do point out the white ethnicity of the victim as being relevant.
I also think it would have sounded incorrect adding the word racist to the title.

It happens all too often, even the legal system sees racism as one way - I arrested someone for Racially aggrevated s.4a public order for calling me "English white honky scum" and the CPS boshed it to Drunk & Dis!!! where after 9/11 I arrested a guy for calling my collegue a "muslim terrorist" (he was a Sikh skipper) and it got ramped up to S.4, passed to the CSU to investigate and he was sent home on compassionate leave - against his will!!

Its not the colour of the skin of the victim that matters, its the intetion of the guilty party. If it was a racist attack, report is as such and of not, leave colour out of it!
 
#16
TSLL_2005 said:
I agree with all you.

I do think society, the press in particular, see racism as "one way". Stephen Lawrence, the black lad killed with the ice pick, the asian lad murdered at Feltham - the press always say "murdered black/asian teenager ...."

The case is question is one of the few where they do point out the white ethnicity of the victim as being relevant.
I also think it would have sounded incorrect adding the word racist to the title.

It happens all too often, even the legal system sees racism as one way - I arrested someone for Racially aggrevated s.4a public order for calling me "English white honky scum" and the CPS boshed it to Drunk & Dis!!! where after 9/11 I arrested a guy for calling my collegue a "muslim terrorist" (he was a Sikh skipper) and it got ramped up to S.4, passed to the CSU to investigate and he was sent home on compassionate leave - against his will!!

Its not the colour of the skin of the victim that matters, its the intetion of the guilty party. If it was a racist attack, report is as such and of not, leave colour out of it!
That was very sensible. Mighty Doh Nut keeps calling me a Porridge Wog. Can you arrest him?
 
#17
"I say Again", I suspect if some BNP/NF types murder a young black or asian lad, to you it's neither here nor there whether 'racist attack' is mentioned

Your prejudice is barely disguised, if a man of ethnic minority kills a white man who raped his wife, is that a racist attack?
 
#19
Goose_Rider said:
Lairdx said:
Mighty Doh Nut keeps calling me a Porridge Wog. Can you arrest him?

If you've got ginger hair, then it's disability discrimination as well ? :lol:
I have - reckon i could put in a claim for hundreds of squiddlies?
 
#20
I_say_again said:
I think this smacks of double standards and is wrong and shows how biased things have become.

Why don't you ask the media, it's their words, not ours. It does sound like you are fishing for some negative comments from squaddies. If you're serving, PM one of us your armynet alias email to prove it.

Couple of recent posts have identified the key factor - intention of the guilty party.
 

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