Why is there no post-nominal for the VRSM?

Should a post nominal of VRSM be reintroduced to recognise long/efficient reservist service?

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  • No, just having served is recognition enough

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#1
I was sent a mail from a colleague of mine who has added "TD" after his civvy qualifications and then realised that it stood for his Territorial Decoration (TD)
He had done 12 years in and just scraped the TD before it was replaced in around 1999 by the VRSM (and he was still serving until about 2 years ago).

It's just a thought but why was the entitlement to a TD type post nominal dropped with the introduction of the VRSM?

I would imagine a post nominal recognition of hard work/good/long service would be quite attractive to some people?

Would it help with retention perhaps or is it just a rubbish idea?

Any thoughts!

http://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Territorial_Decoration


PoGs

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#2
POGscribbler said:
I would imagine a post nominal recognition of hard work/good/long service would be quite attractive to some people?
Does that mean that Regular Army soldiers with the LS&GC should have post noms for that as well?
 
#4
POGscribbler said:
I was sent a mail from a colleague of mine who has added "TD" after his civvy qualsifications and then realised that it stood for his Territorial Decoration (TD)
He had done 12 years in and just scraped the TD before it was replaced in around 1999 by the VRSM (and he was still serving until about 2 years ago).

It's just a thought but why was the entitlement to a TD type post nominal dropped with the introduction of the VRSM?

I would imagine a post nominal recognition of hard work/good/long service would be quite attractive to some people?

Would it help with retention perhaps or is it just a rubbish idea?

Any thoughts!

http://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Territorial_Decoration


PoGs

www.pocketcomms.co.uk
It would be retention positive and we have been round this buoy before. It would also be recruitment positive if you are in the TA and are looking for a job with someone who has the TD...

Basically it was an act of spiteful nastiness by certain people in the mid 90s, who saw an opportunity to put the boot into the TA and took it.

msr
 
#5
If you stay in long enough you get it hardly something to be proud
enough to put as a post nominal .
 
#6
Filbert Fox said:
POGscribbler said:
I would imagine a post nominal recognition of hard work/good/long service would be quite attractive to some people?
Does that mean that Regular Army soldiers with the LS&GC should have post noms for that as well?
Having LS&GC as a post nominal has no precedent.
However I for one would welcome the idea of some sort of recognition for long and dedicated service whether regular or otherwise.

(having been both regular and now otherwise)

PoGs

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#7
POGscribbler said:
I was sent a mail from a colleague of mine who has added "TD" after his civvy qualsifications and then realised that it stood for his Territorial Decoration (TD)
He had done 12 years in and just scraped the TD before it was replaced in around 1999 by the VRSM (and he was still serving until about 2 years ago).
What a cock.

I'm entitled to have a post nom but would never dream of using it due to the above. (I don't need a post nom to look a cock :wink: ).
 
#8
Yes...

I think the TD post nom is worth re-instating.

Whatever anyone thinks, TA officer numbers have gone through the floor (even compared with ORs) and anything that contributes to recruiting and retention would be welcome.

A totally stupid move to get rid of the PM, particularly as it was done by the previous administration as I understand..

Does anyone know the background?
 
#9
So if you were sad enough to use the post nom of 'TD', had it put on your cheque book, bank statements, all correspondance etc and someone was to ask what it was for, would you hold your head up high and say 'I got it for being in the TA for 12 years'?

I 'know people' who have the Order of St John gong who dont even use their 'OStJ' post noms as they think it looks knobbish, but I suppose that if needing the admiration of others by using post noms for spending 12 years in the TA is your bag then fair enough.
 
#10
Sorry but whats so special about TA officers ? Reg officers get diddly squat in the form of recognition for service let alone a post numeral, the TA does seem to like its long service awards, I know of one individual who has 5 gongs and never been on ops.


Oh and don't even get me started on the complete disregard of reg service when joining the TA, thats alright I'll just push another 10 years out and I might get something for my trouble, have to collect it in a zimmer frame mind


Personally I feel we should do away with the VRSM and LS&GC and have a joint award that can be carried over to either service as the trend seems to be one of bringing us all under One Army


But I bet I still have to start form frigging scratch
 
#11
Filbert Fox said:
So if you were sad enough to use the post nom of 'TD', had it put on your cheque book, bank statements, all correspondance etc and someone was to ask what it was for, would you hold your head up high and say 'I got it for being in the TA for 12 years'?
Speaking as someone who doesn't have it on my chequebook, bank account, correspondence, etc...

If I want to use it, or wear the miniature on an appropriate occasion, I'll be able to hold my head up high and say:

"I got that for grafting my arrse off for twenty years in the service of Her Majesty. I averaged 80 days a year in addition to a full-time profession, did the character-building courses associated with the infantry, took my personal skills seriously, and would like to think that I put more in than I took out. I reckon I did a good job, tried always to look out for the troops, but I'm under no illusion that I was somehow outstanding, and I'm well aware of my skills gaps. While I was in, I was willing to be mobilised, but APC never sent me an envelope."

So yes, I got it for being in the TA for 21 years. But there's a lot more went into it than that. Bloody right I'm proud of my TD.
 
#12
Filbert Fox said:
So if you were sad enough to use the post nom of 'TD', had it put on your cheque book, bank statements, all correspondance etc and someone was to ask what it was for, would you hold your head up high and say 'I got it for being in the TA for 12 years'?

I 'know people' who have the Order of St John gong who dont even use their 'OStJ' post noms as they think it looks knobbish, but I suppose that if needing the admiration of others by using post noms for spending 12 years in the TA is your bag then fair enough.
I am very proud to talk about both my regular and reserve service.

and having done 3 tours as a reservist would like to think that I have contributed more and achieved more as a reservist than I was able to as a regular.

I personally only use my professional post nominals when it is appropriate i.e. in professional correspondence (and then rarely) anyone putting extra stuff on cheques etc has to be described as a walting c*ck.

When I posted this thread I had no idea that the TD thing only applied to officers, I would welcome the idea that all should benefit irrespective of rank if you have done your time you should be able to be proud of it.

And I agree with wellyhead that all should be recognised (if they so wish to use it ) irrespective of being regular or reservist.


Incidentally have a quick trawl through some of the recent posts in the TA forum........... can anyone see a theme developing

http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=106177.html Recognition of effort

http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=106033.html WHAT DO YOU DO IF YOU ARE LOOSING YOUR TA MOJO?

http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=106169.html Report of Inquiry into National Recognition of Armed Forces

http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=105555.html White papers...review of TA?

http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=105678.html The future of the TA?

PoGs

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#13
Conversely, and having being given the option, I went for VRSM rather than TD, as a certain red tab pointed out that it effectively marked you out to regular colleagues (albeit prejudiced ones) as a STAB officer of a certain era & disposition. Personally, I also find the (V) descriptor about as appealing as a invite to a stag party organised by Gary Glitter.
 
#14
wearing the miniature isnt the same as using TD as a post nom.
 
#16
The-Lord-Flasheart said:
Wheres my post gone??
This is a fisheries protection zone ;)
 
#17
As said above, regular officers dont get any form of Long Service Medal, why should the TA? I am in noway anti-TA, I've deployed a one of only a handful of Regs in a TA unit and no I wasnt a PSI, we were sent in to fill gaps in certain skill sets. Both Reg and TA officers more or less fill the Honours lists for MBEs and OBEs for jobs well done.
Is the VRSM/TD a retention tool? If so why is it?
 
#18
msr said:
The-Lord-Flasheart said:
Wheres my post gone??
This is a fisheries protection zone ;)
I wasn't looking for a bite, honest. My reply to POG was genuine in that he should wear his little gong but to have the post nom is a bit sad.

If I wanted a bite, I'd have said STABs should feel privileged that they are at least allowed to serve part time and pretend to be soldiers twice a week despite having flat feet/asthma/a note from matron. ;)
 
#19
Filbert Fox said:
As said above, regular officers dont get any form of Long Service Medal, why should the TA?
Why shouldn't the TA? We do all this on top of our day jobs. The Reservist being twice the citizen and all that.

On reflection, it is probably that exact question which was used as the justification to bin it.

Filbert Fox said:
Is the VRSM/TD a retention tool? If so why is it?
It's recognition of the use of your spare time. I believe that bringing back the TD would be retention positive for the reasons and in the way of Gravelbelly's post.

msr
 
#20
Filbert Fox said:
Both Reg and TA officers more or less fill the Honours lists for MBEs and OBEs for jobs well done.
Perhaps our battalion was just cr*p at writing recommendations (or we were just sh*t at our jobs) - but I can only think of one TA officer from the battalion who got an MBE in a decade; and that for a hard-working and effective performance in Bosnia.

The theory that you somehow have a chance of an MBE from two years knocking yourself out as an OC? Sorry, don't think so.
 

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