Why Is ITC Like The Island Of FIJI ???

#1
Can we not get our recruiting act together.  How many unemployed in UK ????????

Retention Guys......  

Single Rooms ...Now...  Not 15 years time.
 
#2
:roll: Cant understand why you haven't had loads of replies on this one!

I totally agree, we should be looking at why people are leaving and why we cant attract UK citizens into join us.

as for my unit we have 9 Foreign clerks, most of whi cant understand basic english - how the hell they can be expected to do a decent job is beyond me :evil:
 
#5
Farcical or not, its true. I was out on the piss at the weekend with others from different units, they are in the same boat (one has only 7 clerks - 2 of which are foreign).

Whats going to happen when all these bods decide its time to go home? Recruit South Americans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
#6
Willy_Sanker said:
Whats going to happen when all these bods decide its time to go home? Recruit South Americans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, you see, that is just it....we appear to be banking on the fact that most of them will not want to go home - in the short term at least. It works on the theory that most of these wallahs do not come several thousand miles at their own expense to join the Army only to fold the hand in 6 months after they have left Phase 2 training when they miss their Mummy and someone shouts at them. No, most of these boys (and girls) are grateful for the job, are sending £££s back to the family and are not intending to get out quick. Therefore retention and with it whole life costs improve - i.e. we don't have to recruit so many coz wastage is down.

The theory would appear sound but, assuming that most that stay will, eventaully, reach the Sgts' Mess, you can assume that the nature of the WO and Sgt's Mess will be radically different in 10 - 12 years time. Good thing? Bad thing? We all may have a view but, in the interim, manning is on the up and we have a few more soldiers who are willing to graft and play a decent game of rugby.

As to their literacy levels, surveys currently being carried out would indicate that the majority of squaddies are unlikely to pass the the minimum literacy levels for CLM training (GCSE Grade G or that equivalent to an 11 year old). In the meantime, a £ to a d. that they learn pretty fast! :wink:
 

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#8
I saw figures of 1600 Fijians now in the Army- we can soon have District Rugby tournaments that will only have Fijians playing. How many play for the Army now?- About 15?

I agree with the Clerk statement, we had clerks who had trouble answering the phone- how they sorted out pay queries was beyond me!
 
#9
I hate to argue with you Rangiram but 8 out of 9 of my clerks have stated that there here for the short term to save money and go home (one has just been put on a 3 monther for inefficiency, one more will shortly follow!), the same goes for all units were I've spoken to mates, they've all got the same percentage of clerks and they've all stated there her for the short term!!!

Bring on the Innuits next 8O
 
#10
I was having my tea in Browning Barracks the other day and on a table there was a gat just lying there without anyone around it. CSM saw it and took it to his table. I thought 'i bet it's a Fijian's'. Lo and behold little fijian boy comes in casually looking for his rifle with less urgency than if he was looking for his fags. CSM, a para, says to him 'looking for something?' and showed him the rifle. He comes over and hands it over to him and the man says 'if this is ever more than an arms length away from you, I will jump all over you'. The fijian nodded ok and left scot free.! He was on stag i.e. a trained soldier! And the old para was all that he had to say to him. In my days I would be wearing it round my neck after running around the compound with it at arms length and and...!
 

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#11
soldierandy said:
I was having my tea in Browning Barracks the other day and on a table there was a gat just lying there without anyone around it. CSM saw it and took it to his table. I thought 'i bet it's a Fijian's'. Lo and behold little fijian boy comes in casually looking for his rifle with less urgency than if he was looking for his fags. CSM, a para, says to him 'looking for something?' and showed him the rifle. He comes over and hands it over to him and the man says 'if this is ever more than an arms length away from you, I will jump all over you'. The fijian nodded ok and left scot free.! He was on stag i.e. a trained soldier! And the old para was all that he had to say to him. In my days I would be wearing it round my neck after running around the compound with it at arms length and and...!
Thats the New Army for you- why raise your own blood pressure, as you can't raise theirs. They would have blamed the WO for not training the bloke properly. Plus you can't give corrective training anymore as it infringes on their civil liberties!
 
#12
now zimbabwe has left the commonwealth. will zimbabweans be leaving the british army or will we still be recruiting them?
 
#14
What about areas of employment where communication is vital? For instance how can a Fijian with a limited grasp of English work as a tech where he may be required to explain a technical fault to his supervisors or colleagues?

Its not going to work if he dont speak proper england.
 
#15
Let us not all fall into the trap of " Let's blame it on the Fijians or other Nationals"

Although I sympathise and agree with the fact that it is our own Top Shelf and the PC thing that is mainly at fault, plus the fact that our recruiting tactics and dead bodies in Blackdown do not help us to get some raw British blood into the system, it must still be said that there are some very good Fijian and other nationals soldiers in the British Army.

I for one knew a particular soldier in my last unit whose command of the English was better than some English soldiers. He was an Air Traffic Controller in Fijis main Airport before joining the Army. His comms skills were fantastic and he was a fine worker, respectful and as a "Good British Soldier" should be. He is probably not the only one.

We are however our own worst enemies when it comes to other nationals. As a nation we are naturally arrogant to foreigners and this stems back from collonial times. You only have to look at Brits on holidays. How many do you know who go out of their way to learn another language when they think they do not need to? Not many. Even in the Army it is out of necesity. It is not an us and them thing. We are all soldiers whatever colour or nationality. The meeting point within is getting to know them and their culture first then get them to fall in line with ours.

As stated before, it is partly because people at the highest command have yealded to PC and have sold the Army down the swannie, do we have such problems of lack of discipline. We have the MMR and the sooner OC's, CO's and Legal Branch use it correctly and do not let themselves be forced to use a PC card, then the sooner discipline in the ranks of the Army will be brought back into line. Be they English or an other Commonwealth national.
 
#16
To be honest I prefer them coming over as soldiers than immigrants on civvy street. The army can't recruit anymore from the indigenous WASP young men as it can't offer the same as civvy street and our society has just plainly become too soft to go to war. Also as people see it as the last bastion of white britishness the political correctoids say we need some more black faces in there. So with the Commonwealth troops we hit two birds with one stone. Numbers are up and so are ethnic minorities. Problem is that ethnic minorities within Britain don't want to join. They don't feel British, if they join they are seen as siding with the enemy. Frankly I haven't seen many muslims in our army and I think we will see even fewer. Asians in general prefer to -under family pressure - to go out study and make money or run a business and blacks prefer to pound the streets of south london and get up to no good. I know I am generalising and being racist but wait till I start on the whites. Teenagers now drop out of school to play playstation and have zero discipline, stinking attitudes and definitely can't stand much hardship. After they had enough of playstation they will hang outside the spar trying to get adults to buy them booze and fags. How on earth are they going to join the army? The goverment is trying to sell it to them by promises of adventure but they will quit a fortnight into their basic. There are easier ways of escaping the dole queue and the housing estate. And by the way Fijians usually make excellent soldiers. Jamaicans and west Indians are the ones with the attitudes, bad timekeeping and poor discipline. As I say I am generalising but this is the way things are going. Training and discipline can't get any softer than it is today or we won't be able to fight a war again.

By the way all that we are slagging the yanks their training is getting tougher and ours is getting easier. Their discipline is a lot tighter and their patriotism - vital ingredient of a good soldier - much much higher.
 
#17
We used to have a large number of Fijians, in the 60s/70s I think, and they were good soldiers even to the extent, I believe, that a number passed selection and went into the SAS.

I know Gurkhas are a slightly different case but they have to pass pretty tough recruiting tests just to get in to the British Army and you don't see many of them sacking it after only a few years. As you say, probably a cultural thing - which says a lot for UK's culture today!
 
#18
There is also a problem of the language barrier with some of the other nationals joining. It cannot go un-noticed that some barely speak english and are clerks. Good luck to those other nationals who join and do well, but spare a thought for soldiers whose pay has been cfuked up by someone who is just about at Peter, Paul and Mary level.

It is becoming apparent that the thin red line moves like the promotion requirements. PC has gone mad and is sending this once great organisation into Madlands.

If they abide by QR's and do their job then that is OK. The moment they start pi$$ing the system about and bringing their more shady traditions with them, poisoning the atmosphere and living conditions of others, then they should be put on the first plane home. PERIOD.

In the 60's and 70's there was a thing called discipline and PC was a rank in the Met. Them days if you were told to jump, you asked how high.

Now there is a works tree hugging session starting at the CO's office and working down. Discussing the ability to jump, against the wish to do so by the troops, against the legalities and possible litigation should someone break a toenail on landing. And if there is an ethnic minority involved you times this by pye and E=MC².
 
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