Why is celebrating Englishness considered racist?

#1
Being proud of being English generally eqates to being a nasty racist in most peoples eyes. Both the English and British flags are regarded as racist banners that most people don't want to be associated with. Anyone who flies one from their house is generally considered to be a racist thug, or at the least a bit thick.

English national identity has been discouraged to the point where the vast majority of English people couldn't tell you when St. George's Day is, let alone celebrate it or even have the first idea how to.

People say the English "reserve" is why we are not patriotic, but historically we never used to be that shy. In fact, during the heyday of the empire it could be said the English people were flag-waving, nationalistic, jingoistic and arguably regarded themselves as something of a master race. Certainly not unpatriotic.

This fear of celebrating English national identity is very much a modern development. Perhaps we are suffering from some sort of post-colonial guilt complex?
 
#2
Hole!
 
#4
Being proud of being English generally eqates to being a nasty racist in most peoples eyes. Both the English and British flags are regarded as racist banners that most people don't want to be associated with. Anyone who flies one from their house is generally considered to be a racist thug, or at the least a bit thick.

English national identity has been discouraged to the point where the vast majority of English people couldn't tell you when St. George's Day is, let alone celebrate it or even have the first idea how to.

People say the English "reserve" is why we are not patriotic, but historically we never used to be that shy. In fact, during the heyday of the empire it could be said the English people were flag-waving, nationalistic, jingoistic and arguably regarded themselves as something of a master race. Certainly not unpatriotic.

This fear of celebrating English national identity is very much a modern development. Perhaps we are suffering from some sort of post-colonial guilt complex?
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Thanks for your opinion, do have a nice day.

PS Please move to the hole
PPS Is there an "English Ness Monster"?
PPS Can you supply an extensive list of references to back your assertion as to a "flag-waving, nationalistic, jingoistic [People, who] arguably regarded themselves as something of a master race".
PPPS If we have to be polite to you, we will require that you back up and reference your arguments with appropriate research and academic sources.
 
#5
I agree with all your sentiments, but I'm sure that if this thread goes on it will merely end up in a slanging match, and I think this type of thread has been done to death in the past
 
#6
Stoppage!!!
I agree with all your sentiments, but I'm sure that if this thread goes on it will merely end up in a slanging match, and I think this type of thread has been done to death in the past​
hence "Hole!"

We've all read this book before and this sockpuppet OP knows that.
 
#7
Methinks the OP is rat cunning, hence he/she posted outside of the NAAFI bar, thereby avoiding a 'weapons loose' policy on their innane thread.
 
#8
Methinks the OP is rat cunning, hence he/she posted outside of the NAAFI bar, thereby avoiding a 'weapons loose' policy on their innane thread.
I recommend that we be equally cunning by demanding that he back up his sweeping assertions and generalisations with solid evidence and scholarship.

I would welcome a critique by the OP on the assertions made in the following text as they seem to be at odds with his own :
Amazon.com: Being English: Narratives, Idioms, and Performances of National Identity from Coleridge to Trollope (9780791421017): Julian Wolfreys: Books

As an alternative, he could draw a picture of a snow man.
 
#9
Bollocks.
 
#11
I fly a St George's flag in my garden on a 5.5 metre pole. I am neither thick nor a racist thug, in fact I am married to a lady from foreign climes. I know when St George's Day is and those that don't could probably name all the members of Little Mix; it's just a sign of the times I am afraid.

No post colonial guilt whatsoever and most of the former colonial countries I have been to are proud of their connection with the UK and consider it to be intregal to their current national identity.
 
#12
...and furthermore am I upset that my beloved Leeds United were knocked out of the FA Cup last night by a frenchman? Not at all, that's just life.

edited to add: French bastard!
 
#14
Being proud of being English generally eqates to being a nasty racist in most peoples eyes. Both the English and British flags are regarded as racist banners that most people don't want to be associated with. Anyone who flies one from their house is generally considered to be a racist thug, or at the least a bit thick.

English national identity has been discouraged to the point where the vast majority of English people couldn't tell you when St. George's Day is, let alone celebrate it or even have the first idea how to.

People say the English "reserve" is why we are not patriotic, but historically we never used to be that shy. In fact, during the heyday of the empire it could be said the English people were flag-waving, nationalistic, jingoistic and arguably regarded themselves as something of a master race. Certainly not unpatriotic.

This fear of celebrating English national identity is very much a modern development. Perhaps we are suffering from some sort of post-colonial guilt complex?
OP

Having just had a look at your other posts, I am wondering if you are up to no good.


Are you proud of being English? On your other posts you describe the Uk as being technologically backwards and a "nasty mean spririted country". who would be proud of this? Any more of this and i'm going to apply Godwin's law.

I am actually proud of being British, and would do anything for the UK (except live there).

I am proud of our inventions, systems of government and values like fair play, the rights and dignity of the individual and basic bloody decency. It has sfa to do with waving flags (which any moron can do) but it is about a belief in an ideal that has added enormous value to the human condition.

There are a significant number of members on here who have risked our lives to preserve such ideals and our way of life.

Remember "patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel".

If you are pushing some kind of political agenda, please do not insult our intelligence by failing to disclose it up front.

Remember, "there's nothing British about the BNP!"
 
#15
Aaaah........my feral wonder, you've returned to the easel. How shall I put it a certain Je ne sais quoi I've missed your Joie de vivre.
I see you have moved from a cubist phase, as exemplified by your nautical sea scapes, to more of a realist/impressionist perspective.

I await your post modern phase with eager anticipation.
 

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#16
Wasn't St George one of those johnny foreigner types from somewhere near Turkey or something. Anyway the whole dragon thing seems awfully un-British anyway - any decent chap if he had killed a dragon is hardly going to go around braying about it surely?
 
#17
Wasn't St George one of those johnny foreigner types from somewhere near Turkey or something. Anyway the whole dragon thing seems awfully un-British anyway - any decent chap if he had killed a dragon is hardly going to go around braying about it surely?
As there have been no dragons at all for hundreds of years it is clear that the saint was hunting an endangered species. Shame on him, as bad as the Jap whalers in my opinion. But for St George we could take our kids and/or grandkids to a zoo to see a dragon.
 
#19
I know what you mean. I had the St George's Cross painted on my face the other day and I was quite possibly waving the English flag with a few like minded compatriots - loosely organised, though I suppose you could describe us as a league - committed to the defense of England. There were a few chants "Nigger! Nigger! Nigger!", "Pakis Out!", "Hey! Hey! Mu-ha-mad, how many kids have you raped today?" and the like, all in good fun.

Then some gentleman had the temerity to come over and accuse me of racism when all I was doing was waving the flag of the country I was born in. And I said how very dare you sir, how very dare you accuse me of racism when I was doing nothing more than celebrating my Englishness and then I knocked his fucking head in.
 
#20
St Edmund was the original English Patron Saint and there is a campaign to have him re-instated as such. St George was in deed from Turkey and his banner was used by English Knights while whopping some Islamic arse in the Middle East, who in turn got their arses whopped as well.

St Edmund however was a King of the East Angles when he had a bit of a run in with the chaps from Norway and managed to get himself killed by some hairy arsed berserker.
 

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