Why hate the EU?

#1
Seriously, why?

Arrsers harrumph constantly about Chavoamericanisation of British youth, cultural dumbing-down, etc, but an 'independent' UK in reality means greater Spamification, with all that entails.

You moan about the UK going to the dogs & how you're going to retire to the south of France in the same posts, sometimes (Caubeen, eg).

You moan about crappy NHS, transport, education system etc- look at the continent.

Look at the way the French run their former colonies in Africa- and then look at us with Zim. Who's got the better idea? I also don't see them mired in the Middle East.

And wouldn't an EU RRF be essentially run by us and funded by the French and Germans? Wouldn't that be a potential safeguard against merging of regiments and General MoD cheeseparing?

With Sarkozy & Merkel Thatcherising the continent and Blair finally fcuking off, isn't this a chance to make the best of it, and return to a semblance of great power status- as the EU would be if we rolled our grumpy sleeves up and got stuck in?
 
#2
Putting aside the corruption, incompetence and power hungry nature of this bloated and undemocratic institution and the fact it has cost us billions,

Give me a Yank any day both on the p*ss and as part of NATO rather than some bicycle eating onion riding surrender monkey.

And don't even get me started on the Belgians and the Bosche!
 
#3
Rumpelstiltskin said:
Seriously, why?

Arrsers harrumph constantly about Chavoamericanisation of British youth, cultural dumbing-down, etc, but an 'independent' UK in reality means greater Spamification, with all that entails.

Rot! UK independence/restored sovereignty means being able to choose culturally. Naturally we'd import from both Europe and the US.

You moan about the UK going to the dogs & how you're going to retire to the south of France in the same posts, sometimes (Caubeen, eg).

More rot. I'm retiring to Namibia, far from Europe.

You moan about crappy NHS, transport, education system etc- look at the continent.

That's why I holiday there (sometimes) but choose not to live there.

Look at the way the French run their former colonies in Africa- and then look at us with Zim. Who's got the better idea? I also don't see them mired in the Middle East.

And wouldn't an EU RRF be essentially run by us and funded by the French and Germans? Wouldn't that be a potential safeguard against merging of regiments and General MoD cheeseparing?

With Sarkozy & Merkel Thatcherising the continent and Blair finally fcuking off, isn't this a chance to make the best of it, and return to a semblance of great power status- as the EU would be if we rolled our grumpy sleeves up and got stuck in?
 
#4
Why hate the EU? How's about drawing up a list of the pros and cons of the entity and see which is longer... betcha the negative will far outweigh the positive.

So far, the EU has done nothing more than evolve the most complex and convoluted beurocracy humanity has ever inflicted upon itself... and that is just considering the animal in Brussels.
 
#5
The_Cad said:
the corruption, incompetence and power hungry nature of this bloated and undemocratic institution and the fact it has cost us billions...Give me a Yank any day
my...brain...exploding... :?

Look at what we've been ranting at Lipo about then say that again...
 
#6
You cannot support the EU and consider yourself a patriot. If you are not a patriot then what are you?
 
#7
Don't even ask! the EU is a big fcuk-up of everything that is british.

The EU screwed over farmers for one thing, screwed over our justice system, changed the names of medications, set stupid rules on bananas shapes and sizes, and thats not even the tip...

We give them a lot of money, but we get nothing in return.. laughable really.
 
#8
The EU is eating away at our culture and making us all drones. I was born an englishman and want to die an englishman not a garlic stinking european!!!!
 
#9
The_Cad said:
You cannot support the EU and consider yourself a patriot. If you are not a patriot then what are you?
How fcuking dare you?! I believe we should stand up for British interests in the world from a position of strength, rather than being just being shafted by corrupt neocons. Does that make ma traitor? cnut.
 

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#11
Rumpelstiltskin said:
Seriously, why?

Arrsers harrumph constantly about Chavoamericanisation of British youth, cultural dumbing-down, etc, but an 'independent' UK in reality means greater Spamification, with all that entails.

You moan about the UK going to the dogs & how you're going to retire to the south of France in the same posts, sometimes (Caubeen, eg).

You moan about crappy NHS, transport, education system etc- look at the continent.

Look at the way the French run their former colonies in Africa- and then look at us with Zim. Who's got the better idea? I also don't see them mired in the Middle East.

And wouldn't an EU RRF be essentially run by us and funded by the French and Germans? Wouldn't that be a potential safeguard against merging of regiments and General MoD cheeseparing?

With Sarkozy & Merkel Thatcherising the continent and Blair finally fcuking off, isn't this a chance to make the best of it, and return to a semblance of great power status- as the EU would be if we rolled our grumpy sleeves up and got stuck in?
I think you will find informed opinion regarding the EU a bit thin on the ground in this forum - prepare yourself for some rather predictable ranting.... :roll:
 
#13
JumpShip said:
Don't even ask! the EU is a big fcuk-up of everything that is british.

The EU screwed over farmers for one thing

Yes, that's awful, and the EU's not perfect by any means. But look at how cossetted Eurofarmers are, and how much less suburbanised and despoiled their countryside is. We should be more like them, and i'd suggest the fault's more with an over-zealous Defra than a vast continental conspiracy.

screwed over our justice system
OK, true
, changed the names of medications
that's bad why?
, set stupid rules on bananas shapes and sizes
utter myth.
, and thats not even the tip...

We give them a lot of money, but we get nothing in return.. laughable really.
 
#14
I agree with every post and poster on this topic EXCEPT those of Rumpelstiltskin and R himself.

The European Soviet Union is as corrupt and morally bankrupt as any so called 'banana republic'.

I see no point in its existence and I would welcome its demise as warmly as I welcome the 'wanabee' President of Eurineland is leaving 10 Downing Street.

As daft as they can be, together with other oddities of trait, if the 'chips are down' I want a Yank, an Aussie, a Kiwi, a Canadian, a Fijian, a Gurkha with me rather than any combination of the garlic gobbling, wine swilling, surrender monkeys infesting the continent - Dutch and Danes EXCEPTED.
 
#15
Rumpelstiltskin said:
The_Cad said:
You cannot support the EU and consider yourself a patriot. If you are not a patriot then what are you?
How fcuking dare you?! I believe we should stand up for British interests in the world from a position of strength, rather than being just being shafted by corrupt neocons. Does that make ma traitor? cnut.
Nope that doesn't make you a traitor, what makes someone a traitor is to watch our country robbed of it's money, it's historical rights, it's traditions and it's democracy and think that thats desirable.

Why should unelected foreigners be in a position to dictate our laws?

Why should my taxes subsidise foreigners while my own people die due to lack of health care.

Why should we bother with a political alliance which cravenly stands on the sidelines while our soldiers fight and die?

I didn't call you traitor, I merely stated that you cannot support the EU and be a patriot.

However if the Breton Beret fits..
 
#17
Rumpelstiltskin said:
JumpShip said:
Don't even ask! the EU is a big fcuk-up of everything that is british.

The EU screwed over farmers for one thing

Yes, that's awful, and the EU's not perfect by any means. But look at how cossetted Eurofarmers are, and how much less suburbanised and despoiled their countryside is. We should be more like them, and i'd suggest the fault's more with an over-zealous Defra than a vast continental conspiracy.

screwed over our justice system
OK, true
, changed the names of medications
that's bad why?
, set stupid rules on bananas shapes and sizes
utter myth.
, and thats not even the tip...

We give them a lot of money, but we get nothing in return.. laughable really.
Why is it a bad thing changing names of medication.

Simple, medical personal learn names of medication, they learn the side effects ect! when given a whole new name to learn, its like learning a different language! very hard to do.

They did it just because they wanted Germans to know what they where taken! most new names are the names which come from the German language.

And thats fair? making medical personal learn a whole different language just to fit in with the Germans?


Oh and british farming has nothign wrong with it, only thing which is wrong with it is the EU fat cats sicking their noses into business which has nothing to do with them
 
#18
The_Cad said:
Rumpelstiltskin said:
The_Cad said:
You cannot support the EU and consider yourself a patriot. If you are not a patriot then what are you?
How fcuking dare you?! I believe we should stand up for British interests in the world from a position of strength, rather than being just being shafted by corrupt neocons. Does that make ma traitor? cnut.
Nope that doesn't make you a traitor, what makes someone a traitor is to watch our country robbed of it's money, it's historical rights, it's traditions and it's democracy and think that thats desirable.

Why should unelected foreigners be in a position to dictate our laws?

Why should my taxes subsidise foreigners while my own people die due to lack of health care.

Why should we bother with a political alliance which cravenly stands on the sidelines while our soldiers fight and die?

I didn't call you traitor, I merely stated that you cannot support the EU and be a patriot.

However if the Breton Beret fits..
Ok, standby Cad. I hate to say this.....












But I agree with every word you say there.
(shakes himself down)
Normal service will be resumed I'm sure...... 8)
 
#19
Rumpelstiltskin said:
Seriously, why?

Arrsers harrumph constantly about Chavoamericanisation of British youth, cultural dumbing-down, etc, but an 'independent' UK in reality means greater Spamification, with all that entails.

You moan about the UK going to the dogs & how you're going to retire to the south of France in the same posts, sometimes (Caubeen, eg).

You moan about crappy NHS, transport, education system etc- look at the continent.

Look at the way the French run their former colonies in Africa- and then look at us with Zim. Who's got the better idea? I also don't see them mired in the Middle East.

And wouldn't an EU RRF be essentially run by us and funded by the French and Germans? Wouldn't that be a potential safeguard against merging of regiments and General MoD cheeseparing?

With Sarkozy & Merkel Thatcherising the continent and Blair finally fcuking off, isn't this a chance to make the best of it, and return to a semblance of great power status- as the EU would be if we rolled our grumpy sleeves up and got stuck in?
Do you often suffer from delusions?
All countries join the EU for personal interest not altruism. Why do you think we have absurdities like the CAP if not to appease the French? While mentioning them I might also mention their wonderful public services which on the whole are practically bankrupt. Why do you think they need to bring in someone like Sarkozy? Nevertheless, he will fail, as all French reformers fail.
In terms of our former colonies, I would suggest that the Commonwealth is as successful and enlightened a body as it would be possible to put together and at least now we can control our own foreign policy in our own interests rather than in the interest of what is essentially a Franco-German axis manned by 'commissionaires' who have only succeeded in failure (Peter Mandelson???? Neil Kinnock????) and who have thus far signally failed to control their own budgets without large scale corruption, followed by a willingness to ignore the evidence and instead prosecute the whistleblowers? Does the name Marta Andreason not ring any bells?
God rot them all.
 
#20
Alsacien said:
I think you will find informed opinion regarding the EU a bit thin on the ground in this forum - prepare yourself for some rather predictable ranting.... :roll:
Needn't be so. Many, like myself, will have spent a lot of time working in Europe, holidaying there, and - equally valuable - looking at the British-European relationship.

I hugely vale many European elements in my life - but not the abrogation of UK sovereignty, which I find contemptible.
 

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