Why does the UK seem to lag behind everyone else?

#1
Why is the UK so slow and backwards at times?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/8619167.stm

The trains here have had TVs in the headrests for years, included in the cost of the ticket as well and even onboard WIFI on some.

I honestly thought that this stuff would have been in service in the UK ages ago.
 
#2
Inefficiency.

Gross inefficiency on every level of the country's functional mechanics, resulting in measly yet somehow promising output for a ridiculous amount of fuel intake.

Waste of good materials.
 
#3
cupoftea said:
Inefficiency.

Gross inefficiency on every level of the country's functional mechanics, resulting in measly yet somehow promising output for a ridiculous amount of fuel intake.

Waste of good materials.
Wot 'e said.
 
#4
Atleast your trains have seats.
 
#5
Steven said:
Why is the UK so slow and backwards at times?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/8619167.stm

The trains here have had TVs in the headrests for years, included in the cost of the ticket as well and even onboard WIFI on some.

I honestly thought that this stuff would have been in service in the UK ages ago.
There were no tellies/WiFi in the DB trains I used to use in the north of the Fatherland....
 
#6
Don't forget the land of the nazi had a complete makeover in 1939-45.
 
#7
cupoftea said:
Inefficiency.

Gross inefficiency on every level of the country's functional mechanics, resulting in measly yet somehow promising output for a ridiculous amount of fuel intake.

Waste of good materials.
Coupled with an instinctive notion that it's better to win the argument than to achieve the result, and you're spot on. Blame culture is one symptom of the above, but it infests the fabric of the nation.

Of course, it might help if we believed it was a good idea for the bloke in charge of something to actually have a clue about the thing he was in charge of, instead of having done really, really well at counting numbers in a completely different role. Radical thought, I know. :roll:
 
#8
Schleswig-Holstein said:
Steven said:
Why is the UK so slow and backwards at times?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/8619167.stm

The trains here have had TVs in the headrests for years, included in the cost of the ticket as well and even onboard WIFI on some.

I honestly thought that this stuff would have been in service in the UK ages ago.
There were no tellies/WiFi in the DB trains I used to use in the north of the Fatherland....
ICEs have had them everywhere since 2001 at least.

It maybe just that I have got used to such things that I find it strange when what I still think of as home suddenly pops up with "hey look. Isn't this great" and I think WTF?
 
#9
I remember when you didn't need a tv in the headrest of the seat in front because all seats on intercity trains had a table in front of them and large windows aligned with the seats so you could see out......

Now they have the disadvantages of trains and airliners combined.
 
#10
EX_STAB said:
I remember when you didn't need a tv in the headrest of the seat in front because all seats on intercity trains had a table in front of them and large windows aligned with the seats so you could see out......
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And get a carry out thus getting pished going home on leave.
 
#11
Mr_Deputy said:
UK trains are pretty good. Expensive but pretty good.
You must live on the Planet Zog.

I have travelled from Edinburgh to London on numeros occasions,,I've sat in the back of 4 tonners that were more comfortable,f*cking disgrace,it was so bad that when I sat down on the Tube,I sighed with relief. :x

You want comfort,try the TGV,civilised rail travel!
 
#12
I love travelling on trains specifically because they're not like sitting in your living room. It's a sad thing that people need to be entertained every second of every day or they don't know what to do with themselves.

To me, trains are a place to be left alone to either enjoy the view, a book, or a can of stella and a chat with a random stranger if the mood takes you both. Or else the world can fcuk off for a few hours while I get to where I'm going.
 
#13
As far as the railways go it is probably down to the fact that certainly since 1945, or perhaps even earlier, as a nation we haven't really been able to find a way of running a railway that the voters are comfortable with and works. Since WW2 we ahve had 3 failed major reorganisations, nationalisation, abject failure, Beeching, failure, denationalisation failure.

We know it is wrong, and still not working but all that ever happens is that the polititians stand around scratching their heads and getting splinters in their fingers.

The railways need investment, they need completley reorganised to completely split the running of commercial services from the provision of infrastructure. If trains are to compete with buses and planes they need to pay for their infrastructure on simialr basis.
 
#14
maxi_77 said:
As far as the railways go it is probably down to the fact that certainly since 1945, or perhaps even earlier, as a nation we haven't really been able to find a way of running a railway that the voters are comfortable with and works. Since WW2 we ahve had 3 failed major reorganisations, nationalisation, abject failure, Beeching, failure, denationalisation failure.

We know it is wrong, and still not working but all that ever happens is that the polititians stand around scratching their heads and getting splinters in their fingers.

The railways need investment, they need completley reorganised to completely split the running of commercial services from the provision of infrastructure. If trains are to compete with buses and planes they need to pay for their infrastructure on simialr basis.
And much, much longer franchises with much, much stronger disincentives for cocking up.
 
#15
smartascarrots said:
cupoftea said:
Inefficiency.

Gross inefficiency on every level of the country's functional mechanics, resulting in measly yet somehow promising output for a ridiculous amount of fuel intake.

Waste of good materials.
Coupled with an instinctive notion that it's better to win the argument than to achieve the result, and you're spot on. Blame culture is one symptom of the above, but it infests the fabric of the nation.

Of course, it might help if we believed it was a good idea for the bloke in charge of something to actually have a clue about the thing he was in charge of, instead of having done really, really well at counting numbers in a completely different role. Radical thought, I know. :roll:
What, you mean objective based leadership? Oops, I'll go and wash my mouth out.
 
#16
Whether TV on trains is a good or bad thing is really not relevant. The fact is that we drag along behind equally advanced nations in offering the paying public services that others take for granted, but our service industry is certainly not backward in charging just as much, or even more, for a lower standard of service.

I believe that this is because we passively accept such as our lot and simply put up with it. Germans on the other hand, are used to the best and will simply not tolerate a poor standard of service. It's noticeable that when in the UK, a service provider ups his game, others follow suit. In other words, they only improve their service to remain competitive, not for reasons of giving the best quality available.

In this country, act like sub standard citizens and you get treated as such.
 
#17
maxi_77 said:
As far as the railways go it is probably down to the fact that certainly since 1945, or perhaps even earlier, as a nation we haven't really been able to find a way of running a railway that the voters are comfortable with and works. Since WW2 we ahve had 3 failed major reorganisations, nationalisation, abject failure, Beeching, failure, denationalisation failure.

We know it is wrong, and still not working but all that ever happens is that the polititians stand around scratching their heads and getting splinters in their fingers.

The railways need investment, they need completley reorganised to completely split the running of commercial services from the provision of infrastructure. If trains are to compete with buses and planes they need to pay for their infrastructure on simialr basis.
To be honest, what's really needed is leadership. Network Rail do what suits them, the TOCs do what suits them and no-one smacks their heads together and tells them to provide a real service at a sensible price. It's do-able, but no-one's willing to do it.
 
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#18
smartascarrots said:
cupoftea said:
Inefficiency.

Gross inefficiency on every level of the country's functional mechanics, resulting in measly yet somehow promising output for a ridiculous amount of fuel intake.

Waste of good materials.
Coupled with an instinctive notion that it's better to win the argument than to achieve the result, and you're spot on. Blame culture is one symptom of the above, but it infests the fabric of the nation.

Of course, it might help if we believed it was a good idea for the bloke in charge of something to actually have a clue about the thing he was in charge of, instead of having done really, really well at counting numbers in a completely different role. Radical thought, I know. :roll:
Agreed, Britain really is the land built by bean counters these days. We have more of those characters per head of population than any other country in the world. One of the main reasons why we are in such mess.
 
#19
You'd have a hard job putting tellys in to seats that face each other on a Mark 4 TSO. Why is this seen as an advance? People sat tapping away at keyboards for long journey is just as annoying as some cnut with his tinny head phones on. And what delights with they show? Some kack like on the in flight entertainment? 10 year old sit come and adverts for blancmange? Keep it Germany, Keep it with your hairy armpits and silly clothes...
 
#20
Monty417 said:
Whether TV on trains is a good or bad thing is really not relevant. The fact is that we drag along behind equally advanced nations in offering the paying public services that others take for granted, but our service industry is certainly not backward in charging just as much, or even more, for a lower standard of service.

I believe that this is because we passively accept such as our lot and simply put up with it. Germans on the other hand, are used to the best and will simply not tolerate a poor standard of service. It's noticeable that when in the UK, a service provider ups his game, others follow suit. In other words, they only improve their service to remain competitive, not for reasons of giving the best quality available.

In this country, act like sub standard citizens and you get treated as such.
Hear! Hear!
 

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