Why do we fight wars?

#1
I’m curious as to why we do it. Not ideology but more personal. We all say to support our mates but why do we do it? Recent history shows us we are pissing against the wall.

WW2 was to prevent us becoming box heads, ok more to it than that but that really was a war of national survival and identity, an exception to the rule if you will.

Korea, to be fair to MacArthur, we could have put china back in its place and prevented N Korea ever being more than the box case it is in an afternoon with a few nukes as he proposed.

More recently Iraq, although all we’ve done is boost the lunatics in Tehran and sullied our reputation but failed to stand up to these bandits, remember the Navy thing. They’re laughing at us.

Afghanistan, who cares, it’s a nothing country with nothing to offer, ever! Is the world going to be a better place if it even remotely becomes democratic, which it won’t. Drop kick the corrupt shithole and move on. It will just be a drain on the international community, like Iraq. They had a chance and blew it, lets move on.
 
#2
My most recent conflict was resolved with tubby loving, I can't advocate this for global issues, they are usually financially related in some way.

Bosnia went ignored for years as no real financial reserves available, salt isnt worth bothering with.

Iraq - OIL

Afghanistan - Just about everything. the fight will continue, in the name of democracy, but in the pursuit of copper etc etc
 
#3
I’m curious as to why we do it. Not ideology but more personal. We all say to support our mates but why do we do it? Recent history shows us we are pissing against the wall.

WW2 was to prevent us becoming box heads, ok more to it than that but that really was a war of national survival and identity, an exception to the rule if you will.

Korea, to be fair to MacArthur, we could have put china back in its place and prevented N Korea ever being more than the box case it is in an afternoon with a few nukes as he proposed.

More recently Iraq, although all we’ve done is boost the lunatics in Tehran and sullied our reputation but failed to stand up to these bandits, remember the Navy thing. They’re laughing at us.

Afghanistan, who cares, it’s a nothing country with nothing to offer, ever! Is the world going to be a better place if it even remotely becomes democratic, which it won’t. Drop kick the corrupt shithole and move on. It will just be a drain on the international community, like Iraq. They had a chance and blew it, lets move on.
Read Clausewitz On War my friend, it's all in there.

Here's one of his that fits our national decision making since about October 2001:

Charlie Von C said:
Nobody starts a war - at least, nobody in their right mind - without knowing what they are trying to achieve, and how they are going to achieve it.
Almost forgot this:
 
#5
Haven't a clue why we're in Afghanistan either. Can't see how it's keeping terrorism off our streets. If anything being there makes it worse as we're just stirring up an Islamic hornets nest. I believe there is a hidden agenda as to why we're in such a shithole.
 
#6
If we say that the terrorists hate us anyway then surely it's better to be attacking the hornet's nest and risking a few stings than allowing them to drift through the window for the next god knows how long? I don't think not going to Afghanistan would have made us best mates with the Islamic world really
 
#7
For the LSA and tax relief. We've got to pay the mortgage somehow.
That's about the gist of it 5A & Ord Sgt. If there is an actual 'strategy' it seems to have passed us all by.

Why are we there? when we will know if we have 'won'?

More to the point, when will the talebs 'know' when they have been beaten?

It's a war without end because there exists no 'Mission' The nearest thing I can think of is it is a rather more suntanned version of Op Banner: Keep rotating the boys through and in the end they will get fed up of us and capitulate. (crosses fingers tightly, whilst humming, loudly, to himself)
 
#8
I think the Chinese have the right approach, we are here to mine, that is why we built this road, we couldn't give a shit about your religion or how you treat people, we are far worse, the road is available for you to use, but it is primarily our road for our ore.
 
#9
If we say that the terrorists hate us anyway then surely it's better to be attacking the hornet's nest and risking a few stings than allowing them to drift through the window for the next god knows how long? I don't think not going to Afghanistan would have made us best mates with the Islamic world really
Being far from a luvvie, please explain how its helped?
 
#11
Haven't a clue why we're in Afghanistan either. Can't see how it's keeping terrorism off our streets. If anything being there makes it worse as we're just stirring up an Islamic hornets nest. I believe there is a hidden agenda as to why we're in such a shithole.
****-all hidden about it. The Septics are there, so we're there. They provide so much of our Defence capability, successive gunmints have been dead scared of saying 'No', in case they push us out from under their umbrella.

Some special relationship that is.

I have to say, though, you've changed your tune a bit. IIRC, in some of your posts not so many years ago, AFG tours were 'good for keeping up professional skills'.

Like they say: there's not so many Old, Bold soldiers . . . .
 
#12
If we say that the terrorists hate us anyway then surely it's better to be attacking the hornet's nest and risking a few stings than allowing them to drift through the window for the next god knows how long? I don't think not going to Afghanistan would have made us best mates with the Islamic world really
You really think thay all live in one nest?

A career in Military intelligence beckons . . . .
 
#13
Come to think of it, didn't the Americans want an oil pipeline from Central Asia to the nearest port, yet avoiding Iran at all cost? Hence, Afghanistan-Pakistan-Ocean.
 
#14
We fight wars because it's a really bad habit that our mothers tell us not to do, but we can't be bothered to listen.
 
#16
Which translates as what exactly?
Stan is not being as abstract as it might appear.

We're told what we are trying to achieve, but when we have achieved it is lost to just about all of us.
 

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#17
Because Ammo and Compo have use by dates
 
#18
Because Ammo and Compo have use by dates
Which comes back to my original question if we want to keep it simple, why are we fighting in Afghanistan today? I have no idea what its for.
 
#19
Stan is not being as abstract as it might appear.

We're told what we are trying to achieve, but when we have achieved it is lost to just about all of us.
It's certainly lost on me mate.

Fally, nice to see your still in one piece. Take care.

Oh Oh, as the spams say 'High Speed, low drag' ..... no , I've fucked that up.. it's 'stay low, move fast'..

I think...duuuuhhh
 
#20
Which translates as what exactly?
When is the mission finished?

When the Taliban are defeated? When there is stability? When women enjoy equal rights? When heaumeaus enjoy equal rights? When they have "proper" elections? When they can hand out benefits?

When they don't have all of the above but somehow manage to support themselves? Whatever the **** that means.

What's the achievable end-state? In short; when do we all pull the plug and say "we did it"?

Judging by the current mandates ISAF could be there for x-generations.
 

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