Why do seemingly decent/intelligent people support Labour?

#1
On this site of course, the majority of us know that New Labour are 5th columnists out to destroy the country from within. Or are at least totally incompetent.

So why do people I consider friends of mine, still support Labour? Even after 13 years of total rubbish? :x

For example (and what prompted this post) a lady friend of mine joined a Labour Party support group on Facebook. I was shocked, not only does she seem intelligent but i'd at least expect her to go lib dem or greens or something if she couldn't stomach voting Tory.

A further example also facebook related, was when a throwaway comment by me resulted in an essay sized attack on the tory party and appraisal of Labour from a teacher friend of mine. When pointing out a select few of Labours failures I was told this was because of Labour moving more towards the right! And were thus 'right-wing' failures, whatever that means!

Of course he is a teacher and we all know that the public sector and civil service are in Labour's pocket. Also, a certain percentage of teachers are horrendous lefties anway. I remember being told at school by my biology teacher when i told her that I planned to join the Army that 'we should become like Switzerland and scrap the Army altogther'.

Have Labour genuinely brainwashed people? Are the Tory Party actually considered worse than another 5 years of the champagne socialists?

It is beyond my understanding how anyone thats half-intelligent and not a complete whet like loony lefty moonbat would ever vote Labour.
 
#5
harareboy99 said:
Of course he is a teacher and we all know that the public sector and civil service are in Labour's pocket. Also, a certain percentage of teachers are horrendous lefties anway. I remember being told at school by my biology teacher when i told her that I planned to join the Army that 'we should become like Switzerland and scrap the Army altogther'.
Did you point out that the Swiss have compulsory male conscription at age 19 and that you are then a reservist until 34?

Mind you there are some good points, you get to take all your kit home, a mate of mine had a BAR in the cupboard.
 
#6
CQMS said:
harareboy99 said:
Of course he is a teacher and we all know that the public sector and civil service are in Labour's pocket. Also, a certain percentage of teachers are horrendous lefties anway. I remember being told at school by my biology teacher when i told her that I planned to join the Army that 'we should become like Switzerland and scrap the Army altogther'.
Did you point out that the Swiss have compulsory male conscription at age 19 and that you are then a reservist until 34?

Mind you there are some good points, you get to take all your kit home, a mate of mine had a BAR in the cupboard.
I was 15 and probably couldn't find Switzerland on a map. But then again she probably couldn't either.
 
#7
Have you ever wondered why the winner/loser of some such shoite tv programmes that seem to dominate the TV schedule always seem to get a mention/phone call from Broon the Loon et al. when there are much more pressing issues at stake

It is a conspiracy to dumb down Britain by getting them to watch "Prole TV". The TV listing are full of rubbish like Strictly Come X Factor Britain's got no talent dancing on Ice etc etc etc. People are more willing to vote for Cheryl Cole's candidate that a political candidate. They have ruined the Schools where at least 10 % of children leave primary school without basic numeracy and literacy skills.

It's all spin spin spin!! As the majority of younger voters have known nothing else. They have grown up with Liabour for the last 13 years so can only take the word of the government that things were far worse under the Tories or that the Tories are out the Steal from the poor to feed the rich. That's if they're even registered to vote in the first place. All of the scandals that have occured in the Labour party are all just swept under the carpet. The Blair Broadcasing Corporation simply stop reporting them and it's all forgotten about.

I direct you to this book The Big Red Book of New Labour Sleaze. A recommended read and you can even preview the bok as Amazon have a look inside function. Even on the first few pages listing events from 1997 when they first came into power it is evident that thaey started as they meant to go on.

People need to be educated. They need to be reminded of all that has gone wrong with this government. But who is going to remind them??? When fewer and fewer people read nowadays as they prefer to watch TV, I doubt that the BBC are going to remind them and ITV are too busy churning out Soaps and X Factor programmes
 
#8
It is pretty obvious that any one in the public sector will vote for liebore, as they have been given pay rises good pensions while the private sector has had a pay freeze or like me a pay reduction of 1.5% :x . I hope the Torys get in and cut as many public jobs as they can and bring my taxes down. and before you all go mad i mean managers, at the top, and NHS managers, council managers on over a hundred thousand a year, and made up jobs that communists, sorry liebore socialists make up to fiddle the jobless totals. And all lieing scum benefit scroungers must be forced to work or no dole after 6 months, only tokens for food. So no work= no fags or booze or luxuries.
 
#9
Some form of domestic service would be ideal, I've had to fork out for their fags, booze and play stations, the least I should expect in return is my garden tidied and house cleaned.
 
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#10
[quote

Of course he is a teacher and we all know that the public sector and civil service are in Labour's pocket..[/quote]

Funny, I could have sworn, most of the cops I've know/known in the last 13 years hate labour for what they've done to the police. i.e turned us into every thing the public and us hate about the police.
 

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#12
CivPlod said:
Of course he is a teacher and we all know that the public sector and civil service are in Labour's pocket..
Funny, I could have sworn, most of the cops I've know/known in the last 13 years hate labour for what they've done to the police. i.e turned us into every thing the public and us hate about the police.
I was going to add; are you including the Armed Forces in that broad sweeping generalisation? And if not, why do you assume that all other public sector workers are 'in Labour's pocket'?
 
#13
CivPlod said:
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Of course he is a teacher and we all know that the public sector and civil service are in Labour's pocket..
Funny, I could have sworn, most of the cops I've know/known in the last 13 years hate labour for what they've done to the police. i.e turned us into every thing the public and us hate about the police.[/quote]

In the schools ive been into as a trainee, i must admit that I can count the teachers that were not labour supporters on one hand. When you ask them why everyone of them will cite Thatcher as their reason. It was twenty years ago dammit and she did a lot of good things.
 
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#14
waterman said:
It is pretty obvious that any one in the public sector will vote for liebore, as they have been given pay rises good pensions while the private sector has had a pay freeze or like me a pay reduction of 1.5% :x .
can you point me in the direction of this pay rise? I distictly remember the police marching not so long ago due to an effective pay cut. Not to mention the upcoming police pension contributions rising to 15% with no extra monetary benefit.
 
#15
Civplod.

I apoligise. I did not mean Police.

Nor, obviously did I mean the Armed Forces.

My sweeping was a bit too much of a generalisation admittedly.

Id say on the whole however, that Labour do get a lot of their support from non-uniformed public service.
 
#16
Why do seemingly decent/intelligent people support Labour?
Because they think the Tories are a bunch of pointless w@nkers lead by a posh tw@t?
 
#17
I'm not so sure that there is as much of a connection between the beneficiaries of New Labour's policies and votes cast for them as people seem to think. If I was a civil servant I would vote for whoever I wished regardless of what was enacted by the government during my tenure. Immigrants, in particular those from developing countries tend to be the most 'conservative' or right-wing voters of any developed country. And as for those chronically on benefits by design : does anyone seriously imagine that they have the conscience to feel bound to vote for New Labour, if at all? To them the welfare state is the welfare state, and it would take a seriously swottish council-house baby factory to know which one of New Labour's blunders is paying for which one of their new tellies - if they were that switched on to government policy they would probably also realise that the welfare state has been around since the 1950's.

You're applying your working man's quid-pro-quo ethics in vain.
 
#18
Cpl_ripper said:
Why do seemingly decent/intelligent people support Labour?
Because they think the Tories are a bunch of pointless w@nkers lead by a posh tw@t?
Be that as it may, it does not mean that they should irresponsibly continue to support the uncomfortable alliance of champagne socialists and student union marxists of 'new' labour. Surely the 13 years of hard evidence of incompetence and borderline stalinist control-freakery outweighs the knee-jerk suspicions of those whose knowledge of the Conservative Party seems to be based on Ben Elton's "Mrs Thatch, Mrs Thatch" routines?
 
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#19
I dont think any cop, ambulance driver, nurse, fireman or damn it I shudder to admit this" social worker"(even they think the new liebore communist party have went too far).

Can I qualify this statement, probably not. However, anecdotally I can. From working with them. The police are in a unique position to deal with all of them, from social workers and dealing with the scotes that go missing from homes, nurses from taking the scum to hospital every two minutes(thanks ECHR), the ambulance drivers clearing up the mess of the underclass's benefit funded drinking session fights and the firemen getting stoned by the Neds/Chavs.......all converse freely with us at meetings, and contrary to whats written in the papers/posted on here we dont lock them up for their racist, homophobic etc views( although there will always bethe odd straight **** who will, just like there will always be the squaddie who ruins it for the rest). I could go on, but its all been done to death in countless threads........... :policeflat:
 
#20
Cpl_ripper said:
Why do seemingly decent/intelligent people support Labour?
Because they think the Tories are a bunch of pointless w@nkers lead by a posh tw@t?
Remind me again where Tony Blair went to school? Oh that's right, Fettes and then Oxford. Harriet Harman? Westminster School. Here's a few more politicians "of the people" whose parents dipped into their pockets for their education:

•Ed Balls (Morley and Outwood)
•Hugh Bayley (City of York)
•Hilary Benn (Leeds Central)
•Bob Blizzard (Waveney)
•Chris Bryant (Rhondda)
•Stephen Byers (North Tyneside)
•Charles Clarke (Norwich South)
•Ann Clwyd (Cynon Valley)
•Jim Cousins (Newcastle-upon-Tyne Central)
•Alistair Darling (Edinburgh South West)
•Quentin Davies (Grantham and Stamford)
•Louise Ellman (Liverpool Riverside)
•Natascha Engel (North East Derbyshire)
•Mark Fisher (Stoke-on-Trent Central)
•Barry Gardiner (Brent North)
•Linda Gilroy (Plymouth Sutton)
•Paul Goggins (Wythenshawe and Sale East)
•Peter Hain (Neath)
•Patrick Hall (Bedford and Kempston)
•Fabian Hamilton (Leeds North East)
•Harriet Harman (Camberwell and Peckham)
•John Healey (Wentworth)
•Margaret Hodge (Barking)
•Geoff Hoon (Ashfield)
•Lindsay Hoyle (Chorley)
•Tessa Jowell (Dulwich and West Norwood)
•Sally Keeble (Northampton North)
•Ruth Kelly (Bolton West)
•Jim Knight (South Dorset)
•Ivan Lewis (South Bury)
•Martin Linton (Battersea)
•Ian Lucas (Wrexham)
•Denis MacShane (Rotherham)
•Fiona Mactaggart (Slough)
•Judy Mallaber (Amber Valley)
•John Mann (Bassetlaw)
•Rob Marris (Wolverhampton South West)
•Gordon Marsden (Blackpool South)
•Bob Marshall-Andrews (Medway)
•Michael Meacher (Oldham West and Royton)
•Chris Mole (Ipswich)
•Julie Morgan (Cardiff North)
•Doug Naysmith (Bristol North West)
•Nick Palmer (Broxtowe)
•Gordon Prentice (Pendle)
•James Purnell (Stalybridge and Hyde)
•Nick Raynsford (Greenwich and Woolwich)
•Geoffrey Robinson (Coventry North West)
•Andrew Slaughter (Ealing, Acton and Shepherd's Bush)
•John Spellar (Warley)
•Phyllis Starkey (Milton Keynes South West)
•Howard Stoate (Dartford)
•Gavin Strang (Edinburgh East)
•Mark Todd (South Derbyshire)
•Kitty Ussher (Burnley)
•Keith Vaz (Leicester East)
•Malcolm Wicks (Croydon North)
•Michael Wills (Swindon North)
•Rosie Winterton (Doncaster Central)
•Shaun Woodward (St Helens South)

Any chance on anyone ever basing their judgement on politicans on their deeds, rather than their schooling?
 

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