Why did the English wear redcoats

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Bottleosmoke

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I can feel a very funny joke regarding a captured English Colonel during the Napoleanonic wars but I cant be arsed writing it out.............Someone else will find it I am sure.
 
#4
Prior the English Civil war various coloured coats were worn.
The beginning of "standardisation" came with the Parliamentary New Model Army who introduced red frock-coats for the infantry. I'm not sure that Red was chosen for any better reason than in those days, with tactics what they were and battlefield visibility what it was, red was highly visible and enabled commanders to see where there troops were.

When some units of the Parliamentary army were incorporated into the regular army on the Restoration of the Monarchy in 1660, such as Monck’s Regiment which became the Coldstream Guards, the red coat became the standard uniform of infantry soldiers, who were quickly identified as ‘Redcoats’.
 
#5
that answer all be it correct is very boring...maybe they had some red cloth hanging around,,,,
 
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pupgreen said:
so no change in army equipment then,,cheapest...
Of course.
Are you surprised?
It was a mercy that the Crabs were spared the Ruritanian Blue cloth that ... oh, so nearly ... became their uniform. Instead, someone was apparently persuaded to use a collection of left-over dyes to produce the dreaded Crab-Fat Grey.
 
#11
Inclement weather?
 
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blue_sophist said:
Of course.
Are you surprised?
It was a mercy that the Crabs were spared the Ruritanian Blue cloth that ... oh, so nearly ... became their uniform. Instead, someone was apparently persuaded to use a collection of left-over dyes to produce the dreaded Crab-Fat Grey.
Crabair's uniform was inspired by old Prussian cavalry uniforms, hence the colour is officially 'Prussian Blue'. Looks great in 21oz barathea, but unfortunately we insist, wherever possible, on reproducing it in polyester or inferior quality cloth whereby it loses some of its lustre. More often than not we get the colour completely wrong anyway; medium weight trousers anyone?

Unfortunately Prussian Blue is also the band name for the neo-nazi twins Lamb and Lynx Gaede (here).
 
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GwaiLo said:
Prior the English Civil war various coloured coats were worn.
The beginning of "standardisation" came with the Parliamentary New Model Army who introduced red frock-coats for the infantry. I'm not sure that Red was chosen for any better reason than in those days, with tactics what they were and battlefield visibility what it was, red was highly visible and enabled commanders to see where there troops were.

When some units of the Parliamentary army were incorporated into the regular army on the Restoration of the Monarchy in 1660, such as Monck’s Regiment which became the Coldstream Guards, the red coat became the standard uniform of infantry soldiers, who were quickly identified as ‘Redcoats’.
Are you sure???

I'm thinking... the hundred years war 1350 ish... didn't the English bowl up in red? Maybe you are right though... it could have been chainmail and their Lord's tunics.

Perhaps I've been Hollywooded... Certainly in Braveheart (is anything true from that film) Edward's Army were in red.
 
#14
Isn't a legacy of the red cloaks and trimmings used by Romes legions?
 

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It is highly, highly, unlikely that the Army wore any sort of uniform as we know it back in the time of Longshanks. Most soldiers were levied from local Lords, and at the very most (and this was pretty rare) wore something to make them recognisable to him.

More bullshit from Mel Gibson, as normal.
 
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smiffy_the_ferret said:
I'm told red dye (or red cloth) was the cheapest available at that time.
That is the version I heard.

When the Regiments were first formed or taken onto the Establishment in the 1660's, it was the duty of the Regimental Colonel to supply the uniforms so the cheapest shade of red was used.

This was not the scarlet that is associated with the Guards nowadays, only officers wore that, has they purchased their own. The other ranks usually wore a 'brick red' shade.
 
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BaldricksBullet said:
GwaiLo said:
Prior the English Civil war various coloured coats were worn.
The beginning of "standardisation" came with the Parliamentary New Model Army who introduced red frock-coats for the infantry. I'm not sure that Red was chosen for any better reason than in those days, with tactics what they were and battlefield visibility what it was, red was highly visible and enabled commanders to see where there troops were.

When some units of the Parliamentary army were incorporated into the regular army on the Restoration of the Monarchy in 1660, such as Monck’s Regiment which became the Coldstream Guards, the red coat became the standard uniform of infantry soldiers, who were quickly identified as ‘Redcoats’.
Are you sure???

I'm thinking... the hundred years war 1350 ish... didn't the English bowl up in red? Maybe you are right though... it could have been chainmail and their Lord's tunics.

Perhaps I've been Hollywooded... Certainly in Braveheart (is anything true from that film) Edward's Army were in red.
I am sure there was no attempt to "standardise" anything prior to the new model army. There were almost certainly englishmen fighting before then in red coats, and probably "regiments" who wore them. 700 years ago war was, as you say, knights, serfs, etc. and that is as true for William Wallace as for the hundred years war.

In fact there is evidence that Edward III Edward III “appoynted his souldiers to wear white Coats or Jackets, with a red Crosse before and behind over their Armoure, that it was not onely a comely, but a stately sight to behold the English Battles, like the rising Sunne, to glitter farre off in that pure hew; when the souldiers of other nations in their baser weedes would not be discerned.” and he reigned from 1327-77. Given that Wallace was executed in 1305 I think Hollywood have had you.
 
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OldSnowy said:
It is highly, highly, unlikely that the Army wore any sort of uniform as we know it back in the time of Longshanks. Most soldiers were levied from local Lords, and at the very most (and this was pretty rare) wore something to make them recognisable to him.

More bullshit from Mel Gibson, as normal.
No no... you're completely wrong... the rumour that soldiers nicked any armour and clothes off bodies after battles (except the Scottish who definitely did turn up in kilts and not as armoured spear sheldrons) and then turned up at the next run-in in anything looted or handed down... is recorded to be rubbish.

Just look at the colour footage of the actual battles on Braveheart. Pictures don't lie OS!

Red with little dangly squares of gucci armour were in!
 

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