I understand that many of those who join the Forces do for personal - adventure, travel, mateship, planes, tanks and guns, etc - rather than for altruisic reasons. However, there must be some sense of the national interest, and a lot of servicmen ARE patriotic. Then we have ARSSE. Given the immense amount of really intense slagging that our Sceptered Isle suffers on this site - from posters who are the nation's current or retired defenders, and given also the many posters who seem keen to retire abroad - I wonder what it is that is you think makes today's UK worth defending? - Is there such a thing as "The British Way of Life" and if so, is it worth fighting for - either to force it upon others ("The Empire!"), or to defend against Nazis, Irish terrorists, Jihadis, etc? - Is British foreign policy decent, just, and worth enforcing? - Are the British people a principled and moral society who need to be defended from external enemies? - Are our institutions - government, judiciary, media, education - things you take pride in, that you would lay down life and limb for? - Finally - in your opinion - what is there still in Britain that is good, world class or better than its counterparts in other nations? (And for all those who blame every damn thing on the Labour Government: Come on. The UK is not about to suddenly transform itself into a paradise after the election - or even after a couple of decades of Tory rule. What you have now is what you are going to have for the forseeable future.) FWIW, I live/work abroad so, perhaps, view things through rose coloured specs. Also, of course, one does not use a bulletin board as one's only barometer of public opinion. But I must admit, I am bewildered by the self-hatred the country comes in for on ARSSE, and on my last trip to the UK (last summer) was surprised at how many people told me they wanted out.