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Why Council Tax bands are to be revalued...

Ok so assesing a local tax is going to be unfair to atleast some portion of the comunity.

answer:
Sum total of service costs in an area divided by the populationof said area. If you can't manage go talk to the council useing existing council tax benfit system for a rebate.

problem solved. Damn it, I new I should have been the PM.
 
Not really, Listy.

Bob & Jim can't pay in your new system so there amount is then dished out to the rest of the community. Oh b*gger. Everyones allready paid, so you either run the service at a loss or go knocking on people's doors asking for another £20 each.

Plus you'd have every Tom Dick & Harry winging that they couldn't afford to pay, then you'd have a huge overhead due to council costs.
 
But it's not supposed to be a tax on the price of your home, just a charge towards the cost of provision of local services

Exactly - the council tax will be changing into a home ownership tax as the result of this revaluation. The hardest hit will be those who have seen their house value rise over a long period of time and who are paying (or have paid off) a lower mortgage, perhaps on a modest income. This proposal is absolute nonsense and seems to be designed to force home owners with houses above their "station" to sell up and downsize to meet council tax demands.

3500 single soldiers living in catterick garrison paid the same rate of poll tax same as some fat tory MP.....Errm very fair system.
Yes, that situation is beyond parody. As is the situation when you pay CILOCT and tax when on ops. The armed forces are a captive audience and are exploited as such, and should not be. I can see CILOCT being hiked up for livers-in and FQ occupants.
 
Unfortunatly, it will affect more than homeowner because people that rent pay Council Tax too. Not sure if that would make it a tax for living in a house?

If people really want to get their money's worth, then set your neighbours house on fire, jump out the window and break your leg, then get arrested. That wasy you will use most of the services that council tax pays for.

(P.S. for those that want to pay as you use a service: you owe a sh1tload in back payments for all the education you had).
 
I've no background in this area at all. I get screwed by a different type of council tax fiasco, but that's a different story.

My solution is leave it as it is. There are doubtless fairer systems and systems that will give better value for money. However, most people are shorttermists and these improved methods of taxation will cost in the form of manpower or service reductions.

As long as the Lib Dems don't get in (fat chance) then we'll be OK because their system really is W@nk.
 
Gents,

You have overloked one significant fact. Approx 70% of local funds come from Central Government.

Both 2 Jags and his Tory predecossors used the amount given to each council to influnce the local costs.

If youremember Prezza delighted in telling a load of Tory councils that their tax rises would be capped after he significantly reduced central government funding to them. CNUT. The Council Tax is Shite as were the Rates as property value does not relate to ability to pay or services used.

Personally, if you want to see if your council are a bunch a fudge packing, pikey loving lefties...... lets scrap central govenment funding and replace it with an Income Tax or Poll Tax.

BUT KEY IS SCRAPPING CENTRAL GOVENMENT FUNDING WHICH IS BEING ABUSED.

RANT OVER
 

YANTOFULPELT

Old-Salt
8O Us Taffs have been shafted already. I know pay £140 for 10 months. An increase of almost 40% per month. My earnings have gone up 3%. That 3% earnings is still smaller than my increase!!! I get the same services and facilities as a person living in a street paying less than me, I pay for any building or structural problems (no burden on the government) with insurance. I pay for gas, electric and car taxes/insurance (no burden to the government). The jokes are bound to start but I even have to pay to travel over a bridge to my home that's owned by Frog Chops Frenchmen.

Time to press the button on my electric chair and go and empty the p*ss bag.
 
Cpl_ripper said:
MikeMcc said:
Bring back the poll-tax, it was the most sensible thing because simply living in a particular area means that you use the council facilities (as in roads, lighting, police, ambulance, etc) in that area. Base the quantity paid on a street by street basis, so if you don't have lighting for instance, then you pay less.

3500 single soldiers living in catterick garrison paid the same rate of poll tax same as some fat tory MP.....Errm very fair system.

They also had their rubbish collected and presumably dumped in the local landfill, everytime they left the camp gate they travelled on local-authority maintained roads, had the same ambulance / police / fire service support as any of the civvies, and those are just the first thoughts on that.
 

anybar

Old-Salt
As a general rule people use services, not houses.
I think social justice decrees we must take into account the ability to pay.

Local income tax could be collected centrally by the same bloodsuckers who do it at the moment and then distribute it, like they do with 70% at the moment. Reducing local bureaucracy.

Joint income households will be hit by the change in the system but they will not suffer anymore than a single income household is suffering at the moment.
 
I can't see what was so bad about the Poll Tax, every adult in a given area uses about the same public services (except those using private schools who use less).Sso why shouldn't they all pay a similar amount? With rebates for the very poorest and pensioners etc.
In fact many pensioners who still live in their own homes would be better off, why should a couple over seventy living together in a three bed semi pay the same as the couple next door with two geown up kids?

Anyway I though ambulance services were run by NHS trusts and that the road-fund licence was supposed to pay for roads? I'm fairly sure that motorists in my village have spent more on car-tax this tear than the council has spent on roads - in terms of actual work done anyway, the amount spent on workmen sitting in laybys doing nothing is probably much greater.
 
StabTiffy2B said:
I hate to open up such a can of worms, but what system would you like to use for determining council tax?

These anti-Labour for the sake of it arguments are really starting to P1ss me off.

Don't bring problems, bring solutions.

How about we all pay one flat rate for our annual council services?

None of this pish that is council tax and none of this wishy washy liberalism that is the local income tax proposed by the lib dems!

Imagine this example to discredit the local income tax. If i earn 50K per annum, Why should i be forced to pay say 5% of that (2.5K) to the council to recieve the same levels of service as the dosser next door to me who pays 5% of his crappy pay packet of 10K (resulting in a local income tax bill of £500?)

See what im getting at?

Surely it should be a flat rate for everyone regardless of income or value of house. Of course, my liberal pinkie would allow for some negotiation for discounts for those less well off (ie disabled, or OAP but no scroungers!)

And to all the fuzzy liberals, dont even bother with the proportional tax to income argument! Why should i pay more because i earn more? Moral of the story, get a good job that pays well!

A_S gets of his hobby horse and awaits a jam donut being launched at his bonce. :D
 
Cpl_ripper said:
MikeMcc said:
Bring back the poll-tax, it was the most sensible thing because simply living in a particular area means that you use the council facilities (as in roads, lighting, police, ambulance, etc) in that area. Base the quantity paid on a street by street basis, so if you don't have lighting for instance, then you pay less.

3500 single soldiers living in catterick garrison paid the same rate of poll tax same as some fat tory MP.....Errm very fair system.

Ripper, did that fat tory use any more council services or resources than any of the squaddies? :roll:

Im sorry to say this ripper but you are beggining to sound like an inverted snob. Just beacuse someone has more money or priviledge than you (or me) does not make them a bad person (unless your a socialist! :wink: )

Lets not pick on people beacuse they have, just like we no longer pick on people because the don't have.

A_S
 
Local income tax could be collected centrally by the same bloodsuckers who do it at the moment and then distribute it, like they do with 70% at the moment. Reducing local bureaucracy.

The central government bloodsuckers don't want to do this as they will get the blame, rather than passing it on to local government!
 
MrPVRd said:
Local income tax could be collected centrally by the same bloodsuckers who do it at the moment and then distribute it, like they do with 70% at the moment. Reducing local bureaucracy.

The central government bloodsuckers don't want to do this as they will get the blame, rather than passing it on to local government!

And like they're SO fair about the grants that they dish out at the moment!
 

snapper

War Hero
Mr_Fingerz said:
So you don't use libraries, schools, leisure centres, or roads then?

Err Libraries??? .... nope, use the internet!

Schools?? mmm left there years ago, mind u the kids do! and the PTA work wonders... but then having a Conservative MP when it comes to budget shareouts by this govt.......?

Leisure Centres??? oh yes! but the price the council run centre charges aint far off the charges from the private centre so we will discount that one!!

Roads... ahh - and You call the A40 a road!!! more like a pot-holled 2 lane carpark!!! I've seen better..... (Africa, Bosnia, Kosovo..... and the list grows) But then thr Road Fund Licence pays for that little lot dont it Brown... or could it be the Fuel Tax at the pumps?

Council Tax? just another stealth tax...
 

snapper

War Hero
Mr_Fingerz said:
So you don't use libraries, schools, leisure centres, or roads then?

Err Libraries??? .... nope, use the internet!

Schools?? mmm left there years ago, mind u the kids do! and the PTA work wonders... but then having a Conservative MP when it comes to budget shareouts by this govt.......?

Leisure Centres??? oh yes! but the price the council run centre charges aint far off the charges from the private centre so we will discount that one!!

Roads... ahh - and You call the A40 a road!!! more like a pot-holled 2 lane carpark!!! I've seen better..... (Africa, Bosnia, Kosovo..... and the list grows) But then the Road Fund Licence pays for that little lot dont it Mr Brown... or could it be the Fuel Tax at the pumps?

Council Tax? just another stealth tax...
 

foreman

Clanker
Mr_Fingerz said:
So you don't use libraries, schools, leisure centres, or roads then?

Roads? What do I pay my road tax for?
Library? My local one has no books of use in it?
Schools? My children's education have suffered since they left the SCE system.
Leisure centre? I have to pay at the door to use.

Sedgefield Constituency, where I live, has one of the highest Council Tax rates in the country. Who is my MP? Good ole Uncle Tone...

I recycle 99% of my household rubbish (In Cleveland where they will actually deal with plastic) so my Bin is emptied once every 3 months.

I look forward to the election with fingers crossed. Here is our only hope for the future...

Standing against BLIAR
 
Howzabout...
1. Work out how much is required
2.Halve it
3. Divvy it out on an equal basis for all over 18's (with OAP/Disabled discounts/write offs)
4. Onus on those who "can't afford to pay" ie chavs pikeys etc to PROVE they can't and til you do so your benefits are fcucked. And you're banned from the library because it's not just for renting DVDs!
5. WTF is Council Tax benefit!! My money going to some feckless sl@g! Can't get my head round this one....
Yours faithfully,
White hetero dad of three, higher rate tax payer, smoker, drinker and sorry can't afford no more
 
Agent_Smith said:
Cpl_ripper said:
MikeMcc said:
Bring back the poll-tax, it was the most sensible thing because simply living in a particular area means that you use the council facilities (as in roads, lighting, police, ambulance, etc) in that area. Base the quantity paid on a street by street basis, so if you don't have lighting for instance, then you pay less.

3500 single soldiers living in catterick garrison paid the same rate of poll tax same as some fat tory MP.....Errm very fair system.

Ripper, did that fat tory use any more council services or resources than any of the squaddies? :roll:

Im sorry to say this ripper but you are beggining to sound like an inverted snob. Just beacuse someone has more money or priviledge than you (or me) does not make them a bad person (unless your a socialist! :wink: )

Lets not pick on people beacuse they have, just like we no longer pick on people because the don't have.

A_S

Me snob? Come on A_S!
However, I didn't ask to live in Richmondshire, so why should I pay the same as Mr Bloke with more cash than a low paid Pte solider who was doing his duty? Balls I say, And Balls I said. Along with loads more from our Bn. For 3 years I gave Richmondshire council the old run around. I didn't pay it. My CO said I was a tw@t, As did the RSM and the UAO. We Had CO Disciplinary Interviews, he was Powerless in impose any payment options on all of us. Even the bailffs got fcuked off. It got So bad I got posted to Ulster on a 6 monther with 2 R Irish, even Thatcher called us Commies, reds, leftys (Aye I'll have that). Picked up My L/Cpl in that time as well... Nowt wrong with socialist views, cos It doesn’t affect your promotion.. :wink:

Edit for spelling and been drunk
 

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