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Why Brexit May be Folly...

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Disclaimer upfront, I voted remain and it's current affairs, not NAAFI (The Duke).

Brexit is a baffling term, one not yet recognised by the Oxford dictionary yet soon expected to be.

What does it mean to many? The many can be classified into 3 main camps, I suspect, and those camps would be:

1. Remain

2. Leave

3. Don’t know

Not such a shrewd article thus far.

Let’s take a look at embracing. The company I work for and, indeed, many other organisations embrace diversity. Less than 50% of current London tech organisations, I guestimate, can claim that more than 30% of their staff are of white, anglo-saxon origin.

In fact, what would be more likely found is that the development staff are of Asian origin, the chief commercial team of mixed USA / German / French / English, the creative team from the Netherlands, UK, Spain and Italy and the workforce Polish.

With nurturing care and co-operation all of these groups will learn from each other, especially in the case of the UK more will be learnt about work ethic from other cultures!

Fair enough, a few countries are missing; here is a hair, let’s split it!

Leaving the EU is a poor decision made by poor decision makers. Of course it’s great to “take back the country”, stop paying these EU subsidies and make Britain great again!

Really?

No, not really.

Without open borders and cross pollination of skill sets, work ethic sharing, positioning, market knowledge and abilities business dies as surely as a business using a fax machine in 2017 will die where another 2017 business using the latest technology will prosper.

Exiting the EU is a fax machine because our realistic options become The Donald, Theresa’s own brand of mental and / or China.

The Donald represents… It doesn’t bear thinking of. Theresa has raped and pillaged previously successful state enterprises to Her own end like the NHS and the Police. China the becomes the “Fast Eddie” pawn shop; hocking away our goods and “re-financing debt” to a point where the UK becomes exiled from its parent values and a tug of love child between He of the Hairpiece and Xi Jinping.

So what’s the remedy?

A true and united, single market place. Let’s back that up with a story.

2007 – Young lady with no English language arrives in the UK. After 3 days lands a job at the most prestigious Jazz club in London. “Need Job” she says to manager.

2009 – Professionally fluent in English (as well as 2 other EU languages)

2010 – First class degree in management

2012 – Management position in a top FTSE company

2007-2017 – Paid over £200k in taxes and administrative charges to the United Kingdom with no benefits ever claimed

Only open borders allowed that.

Fun fact; the most Googled term after the referendum was “What is the EU.”

Who Googled it? Certainly not business people in the EU, today’s school / college scholars in the EU and not business people outside the EU.

So that really only leaves uneducated voters in the UK who apparently are now having second thoughts, according to various news reports.

I am now voting leave; not leave the EU but leave the UK whilst this mess gets sorted out. Possibly not to return…

This whole Brexit piece has messed with the global economy and caused many hard working EU citizens in the UK financial hardship, worries and, in the case of the lady from 2007-2017 story, some racist incidents.

My Wife is usually correct, ok, always correct as she is reading this. 10 years is enough, time to do different things and live La Dolce Vita again.

I wonder, though, who is going to brick lay, work maintenance, code, work in manufacturing (what little remains) and to contribute to the lifestyle of those who consider this work below them or not willing to do it in the first place if hard Brexit hits…

It’s not about country of origin or skin colour. It’s about an inclusive society making things better.

That all said, what do we do about free loaders and terrorists? No one has really said other than "plots have been thwarted" and "efforts are being made."

People, innocent people, are still losing lives in lone wolf attacks and the economy worsens...

And now June 8th we are expected to snap vote? Meh.

In other news:

· These views are my own

· I am no politician

· I like pizza

· I’m an ex Police officer, therefore trust no politician especially TM

· My Wife said we are going to Italy
 
David Davis is at the golf club returning his locker key when Michel Barnier the membership secretary sees him.
"Hello Mr Davis", says Mr Barnier. "I'm sorry to hear you are no longer renewing your club membership, if you would like to come to my office we can settle your account".

"I have already settled my bar bill" says Mr Davis..

"Ah yes Mr Davis", says Mr Barnier, "but there are other matters that need settlement"

In Mr Barnier's office Mr Davis explains that he has settled his bar bill so wonders what else he can possibly owe the Golf Club? "Well Mr Davis" begins Mr Barnier, "you did agree to buy one of our Club Jackets".
"Yes" agrees Mr Davis "I did agree to buy a jacket but I haven't received it yet". "As soon as you supply the jacket I will send you a cheque for the full amount".

"That will not be possible" explains Mr Barnier. "As you are no longer a club member you will not be entitled to buy one of our jackets"!

"But you still want me to pay for it" exclaims Mr Davis.
"Yes" says Mr Barnier, "That will be £500 for the jacket. "There is also your bar bill".
"But I've already settled my bar bill" says Mr Davis.

"Yes" says Mr Barnier, "but as you can appreciate, we need to place our orders from the Brewery in advance to ensure our bar is properly stocked".. "You regularly used to spend at least £50 a week in the bar so we have placed orders with the brewery accordingly for the coming year". "You therefore owe us £2600 for the year"..
"Will you still allow me to have these drinks?" asks Mr Davis. "No of course not Mr Davis". "You are no longer a club member!" says Mr Barnier.

"Next is your restaurant bill" continues Mr Barnier. "In the same manner we have to make arrangements in advance with our catering suppliers". "Your average restaurant bill was in the order of £300 a month, so we'll require payment of £3600 for the next year".
"I don't suppose you'll be letting me have these meals either" asks Mr Davis.

"No, of course not" says an irritated Mr Barnier, "you are no longer a club member!"
"Then of course" Mr Barnier continues, "there are repairs to the clubhouse roof".
"Clubhouse roof" exclaims Mr Davis, "What's that got to do with me?"
"Well it still needs to be repaired and the builders are coming in next week", your share of the bill is £2000".
"I see" says Mr Davis, "anything else?".

"Now you mention it" says Mr Barnier, "there is Fred the Barman's pension". "We would like you to pay £5 a week towards Fred's pension when he retires next month". "He's not well you know so I doubt we'll need to ask you for payment for longer than about five years, so £1300 should do it". "This brings your total bill to £10,000" says Mr Barnier.

"Let me get this straight" says Mr Davis, "you want me to pay £500 for a jacket you won't let me have, £2600 for beverages you won't let me drink and £3600 for food you won't let me eat, all under a roof I won't be allowed under and not being served by a bloke who's going to retire next month!"

"Yes, it's all perfectly clear and quite reasonable" says Mr Barnier.

"Pxxs off!" says Mr Davis.

Now we understand what Brexit is all about.
 
David Davis is at the golf club returning his locker key when Michel Barnier the membership secretary sees him.
"Hello Mr Davis", says Mr Barnier. "I'm sorry to hear you are no longer renewing your club membership, if you would like to come to my office we can settle your account".

"I have already settled my bar bill" says Mr Davis..

"Ah yes Mr Davis", says Mr Barnier, "but there are other matters that need settlement"

In Mr Barnier's office Mr Davis explains that he has settled his bar bill so wonders what else he can possibly owe the Golf Club? "Well Mr Davis" begins Mr Barnier, "you did agree to buy one of our Club Jackets".
"Yes" agrees Mr Davis "I did agree to buy a jacket but I haven't received it yet". "As soon as you supply the jacket I will send you a cheque for the full amount".

"That will not be possible" explains Mr Barnier. "As you are no longer a club member you will not be entitled to buy one of our jackets"!

"But you still want me to pay for it" exclaims Mr Davis.
"Yes" says Mr Barnier, "That will be £500 for the jacket. "There is also your bar bill".
"But I've already settled my bar bill" says Mr Davis.

"Yes" says Mr Barnier, "but as you can appreciate, we need to place our orders from the Brewery in advance to ensure our bar is properly stocked".. "You regularly used to spend at least £50 a week in the bar so we have placed orders with the brewery accordingly for the coming year". "You therefore owe us £2600 for the year"..
"Will you still allow me to have these drinks?" asks Mr Davis. "No of course not Mr Davis". "You are no longer a club member!" says Mr Barnier.

"Next is your restaurant bill" continues Mr Barnier. "In the same manner we have to make arrangements in advance with our catering suppliers". "Your average restaurant bill was in the order of £300 a month, so we'll require payment of £3600 for the next year".
"I don't suppose you'll be letting me have these meals either" asks Mr Davis.

"No, of course not" says an irritated Mr Barnier, "you are no longer a club member!"
"Then of course" Mr Barnier continues, "there are repairs to the clubhouse roof".
"Clubhouse roof" exclaims Mr Davis, "What's that got to do with me?"
"Well it still needs to be repaired and the builders are coming in next week", your share of the bill is £2000".
"I see" says Mr Davis, "anything else?".

"Now you mention it" says Mr Barnier, "there is Fred the Barman's pension". "We would like you to pay £5 a week towards Fred's pension when he retires next month". "He's not well you know so I doubt we'll need to ask you for payment for longer than about five years, so £1300 should do it". "This brings your total bill to £10,000" says Mr Barnier.

"Let me get this straight" says Mr Davis, "you want me to pay £500 for a jacket you won't let me have, £2600 for beverages you won't let me drink and £3600 for food you won't let me eat, all under a roof I won't be allowed under and not being served by a bloke who's going to retire next month!"

"Yes, it's all perfectly clear and quite reasonable" says Mr Barnier.

"Pxxs off!" says Mr Davis.

Now we understand what Brexit is all about.
So now we know. Can I nick this?
 
Yes....
 
SABC given because there's a whole sub-section devoted to Brexit where you could have created your thread.
 
If only there were a bajillion other Brexit threads where your thoughts could have been posted.
 
Brexit was included in the OED in December 2016.
So what's worse? Failing to recognise it is a recognised word or resurrecting a thread from 8 months ago and saying it's already been done?
 
Disclaimer upfront, I voted remain and it's current affairs, not NAAFI (The Duke).

Brexit is a baffling term, one not yet recognised by the Oxford dictionary yet soon expected to be.

What does it mean to many? The many can be classified into 3 main camps, I suspect, and those camps would be:

1. Remain

2. Leave

3. Don’t know

Not such a shrewd article thus far.

Let’s take a look at embracing. The company I work for and, indeed, many other organisations embrace diversity. Less than 50% of current London tech organisations, I guestimate, can claim that more than 30% of their staff are of white, anglo-saxon origin.

In fact, what would be more likely found is that the development staff are of Asian origin, the chief commercial team of mixed USA / German / French / English, the creative team from the Netherlands, UK, Spain and Italy and the workforce Polish.

With nurturing care and co-operation all of these groups will learn from each other, especially in the case of the UK more will be learnt about work ethic from other cultures!

Fair enough, a few countries are missing; here is a hair, let’s split it!

Leaving the EU is a poor decision made by poor decision makers. Of course it’s great to “take back the country”, stop paying these EU subsidies and make Britain great again!

Really?

No, not really.

Without open borders and cross pollination of skill sets, work ethic sharing, positioning, market knowledge and abilities business dies as surely as a business using a fax machine in 2017 will die where another 2017 business using the latest technology will prosper.

Exiting the EU is a fax machine because our realistic options become The Donald, Theresa’s own brand of mental and / or China.

The Donald represents… It doesn’t bear thinking of. Theresa has raped and pillaged previously successful state enterprises to Her own end like the NHS and the Police. China the becomes the “Fast Eddie” pawn shop; hocking away our goods and “re-financing debt” to a point where the UK becomes exiled from its parent values and a tug of love child between He of the Hairpiece and Xi Jinping.

So what’s the remedy?

A true and united, single market place. Let’s back that up with a story.

2007 – Young lady with no English language arrives in the UK. After 3 days lands a job at the most prestigious Jazz club in London. “Need Job” she says to manager.

2009 – Professionally fluent in English (as well as 2 other EU languages)

2010 – First class degree in management

2012 – Management position in a top FTSE company

2007-2017 – Paid over £200k in taxes and administrative charges to the United Kingdom with no benefits ever claimed

Only open borders allowed that.

Fun fact; the most Googled term after the referendum was “What is the EU.”

Who Googled it? Certainly not business people in the EU, today’s school / college scholars in the EU and not business people outside the EU.

So that really only leaves uneducated voters in the UK who apparently are now having second thoughts, according to various news reports.

I am now voting leave; not leave the EU but leave the UK whilst this mess gets sorted out. Possibly not to return…

This whole Brexit piece has messed with the global economy and caused many hard working EU citizens in the UK financial hardship, worries and, in the case of the lady from 2007-2017 story, some racist incidents.

My Wife is usually correct, ok, always correct as she is reading this. 10 years is enough, time to do different things and live La Dolce Vita again.

I wonder, though, who is going to brick lay, work maintenance, code, work in manufacturing (what little remains) and to contribute to the lifestyle of those who consider this work below them or not willing to do it in the first place if hard Brexit hits…

It’s not about country of origin or skin colour. It’s about an inclusive society making things better.

That all said, what do we do about free loaders and terrorists? No one has really said other than "plots have been thwarted" and "efforts are being made."

People, innocent people, are still losing lives in lone wolf attacks and the economy worsens...

And now June 8th we are expected to snap vote? Meh.

In other news:

· These views are my own

· I am no politician

· I like pizza

· I’m an ex Police officer, therefore trust no politician especially TM

· My Wife said we are going to Italy

You do realise foreigners lived in the UK before this open borders bollocks and will continue to do so afterwards? Or that multinationals have staff from all around the world not just the EU?
Or did Google not tell you that?
 
Disclaimer upfront, I voted remain and it's current affairs, not NAAFI (The Duke).

Brexit is a baffling term, one not yet recognised by the Oxford dictionary yet soon expected to be.

What does it mean to many? The many can be classified into 3 main camps, I suspect, and those camps would be:

1. Remain

2. Leave

3. Don’t know

Not such a shrewd article thus far.

Let’s take a look at embracing. The company I work for and, indeed, many other organisations embrace diversity. Less than 50% of current London tech organisations, I guestimate, can claim that more than 30% of their staff are of white, anglo-saxon origin.

In fact, what would be more likely found is that the development staff are of Asian origin, the chief commercial team of mixed USA / German / French / English, the creative team from the Netherlands, UK, Spain and Italy and the workforce Polish.

With nurturing care and co-operation all of these groups will learn from each other, especially in the case of the UK more will be learnt about work ethic from other cultures!

Fair enough, a few countries are missing; here is a hair, let’s split it!

Leaving the EU is a poor decision made by poor decision makers. Of course it’s great to “take back the country”, stop paying these EU subsidies and make Britain great again!

Really?

No, not really.

Without open borders and cross pollination of skill sets, work ethic sharing, positioning, market knowledge and abilities business dies as surely as a business using a fax machine in 2017 will die where another 2017 business using the latest technology will prosper.

Exiting the EU is a fax machine because our realistic options become The Donald, Theresa’s own brand of mental and / or China.

The Donald represents… It doesn’t bear thinking of. Theresa has raped and pillaged previously successful state enterprises to Her own end like the NHS and the Police. China the becomes the “Fast Eddie” pawn shop; hocking away our goods and “re-financing debt” to a point where the UK becomes exiled from its parent values and a tug of love child between He of the Hairpiece and Xi Jinping.

So what’s the remedy?

A true and united, single market place. Let’s back that up with a story.

2007 – Young lady with no English language arrives in the UK. After 3 days lands a job at the most prestigious Jazz club in London. “Need Job” she says to manager.

2009 – Professionally fluent in English (as well as 2 other EU languages)

2010 – First class degree in management

2012 – Management position in a top FTSE company

2007-2017 – Paid over £200k in taxes and administrative charges to the United Kingdom with no benefits ever claimed

Only open borders allowed that.

Fun fact; the most Googled term after the referendum was “What is the EU.”

Who Googled it? Certainly not business people in the EU, today’s school / college scholars in the EU and not business people outside the EU.

So that really only leaves uneducated voters in the UK who apparently are now having second thoughts, according to various news reports.

I am now voting leave; not leave the EU but leave the UK whilst this mess gets sorted out. Possibly not to return…

This whole Brexit piece has messed with the global economy and caused many hard working EU citizens in the UK financial hardship, worries and, in the case of the lady from 2007-2017 story, some racist incidents.

My Wife is usually correct, ok, always correct as she is reading this. 10 years is enough, time to do different things and live La Dolce Vita again.

I wonder, though, who is going to brick lay, work maintenance, code, work in manufacturing (what little remains) and to contribute to the lifestyle of those who consider this work below them or not willing to do it in the first place if hard Brexit hits…

It’s not about country of origin or skin colour. It’s about an inclusive society making things better.

That all said, what do we do about free loaders and terrorists? No one has really said other than "plots have been thwarted" and "efforts are being made."

People, innocent people, are still losing lives in lone wolf attacks and the economy worsens...

And now June 8th we are expected to snap vote? Meh.

In other news:

· These views are my own

· I am no politician

· I like pizza

· I’m an ex Police officer, therefore trust no politician especially TM

· My Wife said we are going to Italy

Christ! You sure you're not a snake-oil salesman? All those could be, guestimates, hypotheses theories and what could have beens. I do feel your post was racist in overtones, lacked credibility overall and just an ARRSER's view of what you want. Have a read of Uncle Vanya's post. :cool:
 
ooohhh look....butterflies

Not the same butterflies you saw at the beginning of the thread, though. They only have a life expectancy of about a month and don't get resurrected. Must be a different lot of butterflies eight times removed.
 
David Davis is at the golf club returning his locker key when Michel Barnier the membership secretary sees him.
"Hello Mr Davis", says Mr Barnier. "I'm sorry to hear you are no longer renewing your club membership, if you would like to come to my office we can settle your account".

"I have already settled my bar bill" says Mr Davis..

"Ah yes Mr Davis", says Mr Barnier, "but there are other matters that need settlement"

In Mr Barnier's office Mr Davis explains that he has settled his bar bill so wonders what else he can possibly owe the Golf Club? "Well Mr Davis" begins Mr Barnier, "you did agree to buy one of our Club Jackets".
"Yes" agrees Mr Davis "I did agree to buy a jacket but I haven't received it yet". "As soon as you supply the jacket I will send you a cheque for the full amount".

"That will not be possible" explains Mr Barnier. "As you are no longer a club member you will not be entitled to buy one of our jackets"!

"But you still want me to pay for it" exclaims Mr Davis.
"Yes" says Mr Barnier, "That will be £500 for the jacket. "There is also your bar bill".
"But I've already settled my bar bill" says Mr Davis.

"Yes" says Mr Barnier, "but as you can appreciate, we need to place our orders from the Brewery in advance to ensure our bar is properly stocked".. "You regularly used to spend at least £50 a week in the bar so we have placed orders with the brewery accordingly for the coming year". "You therefore owe us £2600 for the year"..
"Will you still allow me to have these drinks?" asks Mr Davis. "No of course not Mr Davis". "You are no longer a club member!" says Mr Barnier.

"Next is your restaurant bill" continues Mr Barnier. "In the same manner we have to make arrangements in advance with our catering suppliers". "Your average restaurant bill was in the order of £300 a month, so we'll require payment of £3600 for the next year".
"I don't suppose you'll be letting me have these meals either" asks Mr Davis.

"No, of course not" says an irritated Mr Barnier, "you are no longer a club member!"
"Then of course" Mr Barnier continues, "there are repairs to the clubhouse roof".
"Clubhouse roof" exclaims Mr Davis, "What's that got to do with me?"
"Well it still needs to be repaired and the builders are coming in next week", your share of the bill is £2000".
"I see" says Mr Davis, "anything else?".

"Now you mention it" says Mr Barnier, "there is Fred the Barman's pension". "We would like you to pay £5 a week towards Fred's pension when he retires next month". "He's not well you know so I doubt we'll need to ask you for payment for longer than about five years, so £1300 should do it". "This brings your total bill to £10,000" says Mr Barnier.

"Let me get this straight" says Mr Davis, "you want me to pay £500 for a jacket you won't let me have, £2600 for beverages you won't let me drink and £3600 for food you won't let me eat, all under a roof I won't be allowed under and not being served by a bloke who's going to retire next month!"

"Yes, it's all perfectly clear and quite reasonable" says Mr Barnier.

"Pxxs off!" says Mr Davis.

Now we understand what Brexit is all about.

I like the way you used Junkers'/Barnier's own analogy.

Although you missed the bit where remaining members expect us to contribute to the existing round... That we can't drink in.
 

Silver Fox

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We are not leaving Europe we are leaving the EU. Loads of foreigners, of varying hues, will still come here. The majority will be most welcome. It is our problem to find out who they are and confirm their intentions are legal. So far so good, little change.
I do not want to be in the EU because it is run by unelected people I haven't heard of and is dominated by Germany. Several generations of my family had a very unpleasant time trying to stop Germany taking over Europe. Twice.
When the British PM tried to block an EU appointment he was effed off at the High Port and belittled.
When we make a monumental cock up of the country post Brexit, as we inevitably will, we will know who to blame and be able to ditch them at an election.
That is why I want to leave the EU.

Other opinions are available and equally valid in a free, liberal democracy.
 
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