Why are so many Britons emigrating?

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/yourview/1990148/Why-are-so-many-Britons-emigrating.html

Two million British citizens have left the UK in a decade, the greatest exodus from the country in almost a century.

The Office of National Statistics is expected to release figures later today showing that more than Two million Britons emigrate in 10 years


In the same year, over 500,000 foreign nationals arrived in the UK, which gives a total of almost four million immigrants over a decade.


Why are so many Britons emigrating?

Is it the prospect of a better life elsewhere, or are British citizens repelled by life in their native land?

Has globalisation made it easier to settle abroad?
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1. Posted by Stuart Moles on May 20, 2008 08:40 AM
What a silly question to pose.
Who would want to continue to live in a country that has become a laughing stock around the world under NU Labour and the European Human Rights act, Immigration, a Government that is incapable of governing the country in the way the electorate demand they do.
UK has become a 3rd World country. Thank god I escaped to Australia

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2. Posted by Martin Sketchley on May 20, 2008 08:39 AM
I decided to move away from the UK around December 2005. It was due to a number of factors really. I had graduated university in the summer of 2005, had a small student loan which I wished to pay off, was married to a non-EU national and had a son. I looked for employment in the UK and couldn't find anything that I enjoyed. There were hardly any jobs at that time and people were pushed into something they didn't really want to do. So I decided to move to South Korea with my wife and teach English as a foreign language. My wife is South Korean and we settled down quickly here. We both worked hard, paid off my student loan and now have more of a disposable income than I would have had in the UK. Taxation is lower, I am happy and pleased with what I do. This wouldn't have been possible in the UK and everytime I read about the UK (taxation, immigration, health, crime, etc) it makes me pleased that I am here and not there. South Korea has a low tax rate, a health insurance scheme (better than the NHS: if I want to see a doctor, I can see one the same day or if I need surgery, I can get it done tomorrow), low cost of living and a better, happier family. I would always recommend anyone to emigrate because England is not the centre of the universe and there is a world out there. Get out of the rat race and live a real life.

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3. Posted by Andrew Milner on May 20, 2008 08:39 AM
Because Britain sucks. What an indictment of Labour.
Also, I suspect these data are considerably under-stated, because no checks are made. When I flew the coop in 2003, I only mentioned emigrating to mitigate excess luggage. But check-in staff still thought I was visiting Japan over Christmas.
However, the key data are gross population turnover, namely emigration plus immigration. Now calculate how long before those born outside UK exceed native born. But destruction of nationhood through "diversity multiculturalism" was part of Labour's cunning plan all along.
"That England, that was wont to conquer others, hath made a shameful conquest of itself."





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4. Posted by Mike Goldthorpe on May 20, 2008 08:39 AM
I left because I had the opportunity. I was jaded with UK living, tired of working in the South East and knowing that, in my mid 30s, there was little prospect of finding a better job in a better area. I was tired of high prices, tired of the falling "Britishness" of Britain, of Scottish whining, of English arrogance....and my partner had left me (maybe this was the proverbial straw).
My opportunity arose and I took it with both hands and came to New Zealand. And you know, I have not regretted a moment here. Unlike the UK, getting a job was quickly accomplished, I met a Chinese lass, got married and have children. The beaches are but 30 minutes drive away, food and drink are great, houses relatively affordable (though I did take the liberty of bringing my Pounds with me).
I have friends wanting to join me, though family appears to keep them in England. Increasing Islamicisation appears to be a factor for one - seems appeasement is reaching levels he finds hard to understand.
I know of people who came and returned due to homesickness - but I would encourage anyone with the opportunity to emigrate to do so. If you are worried, keep a return ticket - but you may never need it!

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5. Posted by Mike Goldthorpe on May 20, 2008 08:38 AM
I left because I had the opportunity. I was jaded with UK living, tired of working in the South East and knowing that, in my mid 30s, there was little prospect of finding a better job in a better area. I was tired of high prices, tired of the falling "Britishness" of Britain, of Scottish whining, of English arrogance....and my partner had left me (maybe this was the proverbial straw).
My opportunity arose and I took it with both hands and came to New Zealand. And you know, I have not regretted a moment here. Unlike the UK, getting a job was quickly accomplished, I met a Chinese lass, got married and have children. The beaches are but 30 minutes drive away, food and drink are great, houses relatively affordable (though I did take the liberty of bringing my Pounds with me).
I have friends wanting to join me, though family appears to keep them in England. Increasing Islamicisation appears to be a factor for one - seems appeasement is reaching levels he finds hard to understand.
I know of people who came and returned due to homesickness - but I would encourage anyone with the opportunity to emigrate to do so. If you are worried, keep a return ticket - but you may never need it!

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6. Posted by John Williams on May 20, 2008 08:37 AM
Our land is no longer our land. It is no longer a green and pleaseant land.
Our British cultute and heritage has been vandalised by the rafts of differing cultures who want a better way of life but steadfastly refuse to give up their cultutal and ethnic identity. This leads to unfettered crime and extreme violence.
This combined with the most appaling governement that has come to pass will drive the top people away to find a better way of living to the standards they wish.
The UK is now in a spiral of decline brought on by years of huge immigration and will ultimately become the mirror of the countries whose people have left to seek a better life here!


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7. Posted by dan hathway on May 20, 2008 08:37 AM
There are push and pull factors as to why people leave but it would be difficult to generalise as people have different motivations. here are some expat types;

1) sensation seeker:
young, no responsibilities, looking for a few years of character building before returning.. or not
2) retiree on a budget:
cost of living in the UK is ridiculous if you dont have a large nest egg. there are plenty of civilised places to be where the hard earned pension will go further
3) international job seeker:
adds to their CV by picking up relevant experience and languages which are sought by many companies now
4) lifestyle migrant:
cold weather, congestion, high prices, lack of quality family time will make many think of going away for good.. and they do
5) angry britons:
i dont know what's worse - the ones who whinge and dont do something about it, or the ones who do leave, then complain about the current environment and life back home. they enjoy complaining and telling the world about it. its fine to be angry, do something about it but then stop whinging.
6) tax exiles
7) double summer seekers
two homes, grown up kids, money, sometimes pay the carbon neutral company, no guilt, lots of sun, very happy
8) criminals and fugitives
9) a mixture of any of the above

I live in Argentina and love the open space, good weather and family life focus. I miss orderliness, cultural variety and british quirkiness.







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8. Posted by anthony duggins on May 20, 2008 08:37 AM
I now live in America. I was pleased to leave England as I had found it increasingly unrecognisable due to, seemingly, unchecked immigration into what is a confined Island.

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9. Posted by David Spear on May 20, 2008 08:37 AM
Simple really. As a British Citizen you are remorselessly penalised for trying to improve yourself. Your children are penalised if you try and improve your house, address and qualifications. You are bled dry by central and local taxation. The country is overcrowded with an infrastructure that cannot cope. Government policy is driven purely by the politics of envy, and, god help us all, the rate of decline in all of the above is accelerating!!
Add to that the increasingly intrusive nature of council tax and central government building a dna database and you have a picture of a country going to hell in a handcart.
As you may have guessed, rather than whinge about it I have taken my family out of the UK and have settled happily in New Zealand - and would advise anyone else with a glimmer of a chance to leave the UK while they still can.

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10. Posted by John Doe on May 20, 2008 08:36 AM
Why leave the UK? Just read the news in the Daily Telegraph -everyday there is an item - today the death of a vicars daughter and the death of a policeman whose convicted killer is using the human rights law to secure early release.

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11. Posted by John Nanchang China on May 20, 2008 08:36 AM
Britain has become a sad, pathetic, excuse of a county with an inept political system and government and a populace that is stupid and selfish beyond comprehension. Who the Hell would want to stay in Britain?

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12. Posted by Armando Gasc� on May 20, 2008 08:36 AM
Follow the money. A crummy house inherited from the parents is worth maybe 300,000 pounds. You can buy a ranch in Brazil for less. Blair, and oil, made them rich and they know it is unsustainable so they leave while the going is good.
The brain drain? Obvious. They are the most intelligent so the first to leave the sinking ship.

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13. Posted by Robin on May 20, 2008 08:36 AM
Look no further than the way Britain has been forceably changed by the hateful bunch of politicians who bribe their way into power every 4 or 5 years.
They say change is good for us. Yet they tear down all that was good. They flood the place with a new population. They give our money to them so they will vote them in to continue the circle.
Unless there is a government that truely loves its own people there will indeed be none of us left.
So thats where we; who are the salt of the earth; are headed; away.
Shame, shame, shame on them.


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14. Posted by Len on May 20, 2008 08:36 AM
Having departed Britain over 40 years ago I have watched developments in the UK over that period of time. I personally left because of better employment prospects, better weather (I always detested Britain's weather) and lifestyle and finally a higher standard of living of the country I now live in. Seeking the reasons for emigrating I have asked many ex-pats their reasons for leaving and many have similar reasons to mine. However I have found that many also deplored the rate of immigration into the UK and the loss of jobs to lower paid immigrants and corruption of their lifestyles. The current in/out ratios you state of around two out and four in over the last decade indicates an incorrect ratio and the only result, if continued, is the total corruption of the British way of life. A sad result for the once Great and Mighty Britain.

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15. Posted by James on May 20, 2008 08:36 AM
Hmm 10 years... well lets see what's been happening in UK for the last 10 years which could have led to this exodus??
Do you think Nu Labour's dismantling of the fundamentals of UK society and Gordon Brown's manic raping of any source of income in private hands, so that he and his comrades can squander it might have something to do with it?? I think Yes!
Insane levels of taxation, The creation of a society where criminals and minority pressure groups have more rights than the majority of law abiding citizens, The declining standards in pretty much everything be it Public Health, Transportation and Public Safety to name but a few. In our Education system, once the envy of the world, these ministers will parade statistics to show how much better things are, when in reality, the exams are being made so easy as to be irrelevant.
Those seem pretty good reasons to leave??
Oh yes and the weather wasn't very good in the first place!

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16. Posted by AA on May 20, 2008 08:35 AM
Board the business class section of any flight anywhere in the world and you will hear a disproportionate number of British accents. The Brits are more globally aware than the Americans and Japanese and more capitalist than the Europeans. They occupy a disproportionate number of senior positions in multinationals. Educated Britons have been huge beneficiaries of the spread of global capitalism. This is a good thing.

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17. Posted by Ian W on May 20, 2008 08:35 AM
I left UK in 2000 and became a permanent resident in the USA in 2003. The steady erosion of liberties had already begun in UK by 2000. Now when I go back to UK I feel like I am in a police state. Cameras everywhere, every street seems to be lined with dustbins of varying colours each with rules for their use. Police that will not turn out for a burglary can be found in numbers manning speed-traps and have-a-go-'heroes' are more likely to be imprisoned than the criminals they apprehend. The hospitals provide a service that is so poor people are scared to be admitted. preferring to fly to India and old people are treated like burdens on the system by all state bureaucrats.

Over here bins are emptied 3 times a week for less 'tax'. Medical insurance is considerably less than I used to pay in NIC. Treatment by dentists and local doctors is immediately available. Even without medical insurance the medical service in hospitals here is far superior to that in the NHS. Go around a 'flagship' hospital in UK and you will find dirty unwashed floors, peeling paintwork and second class 'care' with unfed unwashed patients; go around an inner city hospital in the US and you will find levels of care that the NHS has never and will never reach. Yes there are problems with litigation but that is nothing compared to the uncaring bureaucratic approach of the NHS and NICE.
The level of work here in the USA may not suit everyone from UK, but the friendly acceptance and willingness to support people who try to succeed is such a positive feeling compared to the negative, rule bound, target chasing and failing, defeative cynicism that socialism has engendered in the UK.

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18. Posted by Dustin on May 20, 2008 08:35 AM
Everyone knows the main reasons why the country is failing.

Unfortunately, we no longer have the freedom of speech to state them, and should anybody really hit the nail on the head in your comments, you probably won't publish them.

There's a tendency among the British to assume things are the same everywhere and have to be like that. As emmigrants are aware, they aren't and they don't.

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19. Posted by David Maund on May 20, 2008 08:35 AM
Speaking as someone who left Britain 12 years ago for a one-year career break, and with every intention of returning at the time, the factors that over the years have made my return increasingly less likely include (i) a burdensome tax regime which simply does not appear to offer value for money when measured against the standard of public services, particularly education; (ii) the already susbstantial and ever-growing public sector, which seems hell-bent on dictating as many areas of day-to-life as possible, leaving all but the most mundane to the individual; (iii) the appalling dumbing-down of most news reporting and "entertainment" (notably TV).
I could also include the alarming incidence of knife crime, hooliganism and anti-social behaviour amongst Britain's youth, but to me that is a symptom of the issues listed above.
It seems to me as someone who grew up in 70s and 80s Britain that too many youngsters are no longer taught the value of independence of thought, respect (both for oneself and others) and good old-fashioned hard work, either by their parents or by society at large.
The country appears to be paralysed by hand-wringing at what many people recognise is an unacceptable state of affairs, but the politicians, at least the current mob in government, appear to have neither the backbone or the will to do anything meaningful about it.
Throwing money at the disadvantaged, unloved and unlucky has patently failed to improve either their lot or society at large, while levelling the educational playing field to provide opportunities for more has, too predictably, simply eroded the standards of higher performers and done little to improve the prospects of the less academically-inclined.
My solution:
(i) Re-introduce streaming in schools, restore the O and A Levels to the standards they used to demand and provide good vocational training opportunities for those who will get nothing out of going to university;
(ii) For all but the genuinely needy or disabled, require those on wellfare to actually work for their benefits - if they can't find work in their own right, then have local councils employ them in tasks that contribute to the community around them.
(iii) Abandon subsidised higher education. If people want to go to university, they should be prepared to pay for it through loans/grants which get paid off over their first years of work. Perhaps then they will view it as an investment in themselves rather than a god-given right, and therefore put some serious thought into it before committing to it and some serious hard work into getting a good qualification out of it.
(iv) Cut the size of the public sector, lower taxation and return responsibility over individuls' lives to the individual, including what they do with their hard-earned money.

Unfortnately, this is certainly not a short-term fix but may help arrest the seemingly inexhorable decline in which the country seems to find itself in time for me to retire back home :)

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20. Posted by P Bainbridge on May 20, 2008 08:35 AM
Its got nothing to do with globalisation, the Labour Government is responsible! Britain is going down the tubes and the smart folks, like myself, left before the rot truly set in.

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21. Posted by Gringodick on May 20, 2008 08:34 AM
I left nearly five years ago because I could not stand what passes for Britain any more. Whenever a shoot of enterprise starts to grow, huge bureaucratic boots trample it lest it spreads. Taxation in it's many forms makes business increasingly impossible, The huge and growing public (none producing) sector that like a stinking cat hangs around the necks of all that try. A government that knows how to spend my money better that I the person that owns it. The huge inefficiency of the (State run) health service, a willingness by the government to lie and deceive about inflation, finances, taxes, defense and more.
The British empire was the greatest force for good the world has ever seen (Ian Smith in his book "The great betrayal" )and now sadly Britain stands for nothing save self interest and spending money it doesn't have, it's only answer to a problem is to punish the people more with more cameras and punitive fines, more interested in sharing the cake differently than by effort and encouragement making a bigger cake to the benefit of all, and lastly the disgracefully state of the armed forces and their equipment.
God bless and help you all for you will increasingly need it. For those interested whilst I was no lover of the John Major government I lay 95% of the blame at Labour's door, I had never thought to see such cynicism from a British political party.

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22. Posted by Peter Jones on May 20, 2008 08:34 AM
One reason is disillusionment with the UK and where it's heading. Under Brussels rule it has become mindlessly bureaucratic and petty, with no signs of this letting up. The traditional British way of life is actively being destroyed, quite regardless of excessive immigration and pandering to imported social cultures alien to our own, and increasingly we are being made to feel unwelcome in our own country. Add to that the severe taxation burden and general cost of living, and small wonder those who are sufficiently mobile are voting with their feet. I left six years ago but have retained property in the UK. I am on the point of selling that and severing all ties, as I can't visualise myself living in what is rapidly becoming a hostile undemocratic state. I find it very sad, but I know my reasons are shared by many others who have left over the past few years, and by others who would like to leave but are constrained by family and work needs.

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23. Posted by xxxCORRECTxxx on May 20, 2008 08:34 AM
There is no one sole factor causing this mass emigration of two million indigenous Englishmen & women to Aus/NZ/USA/Can/France etc.

I'm sure there are two million specific reasons, probably most caused by any or all of the factors below :

Get a job posting abroad
Marry someone from Aus/NZ/USA/Can etc
Retire abroad
Better quality of life
Cheaper housing
Less crime
Sick of Political Correctness
More polite societies
Far, far, far better weather
More bang for your buck, i.e. less rip-off-Britain
Pessimism about exactly what England will exist in 20/30 etc years time . . .

and a hundred & one other individual reasons.

But the ten-ton gorilla in the room that surely counts as a factor for a majority of the mass exodus, and is certainly a factor responsible for survey after survey showing that more people in England than any other first world country, wish, they could emigrate to other anglo-countries, and would if they could:

The more we are told to "celebrate" the "vibrancy" and "diversity" of England by our munificent elites, the more many English people would rather be abroad amongst the similar peoples of Australia/NZ etc than forced to live in a homeland surrounded by Somalis, Pakistanis and Poles etc.

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24. Posted by MaryJ on May 20, 2008 08:34 AM
To paraphrase President Clinton, it's the immigration, stupid. They're leaving because they are being pushed out by mass immigration of incompatible Third World cultures, and all the problems brought by that: strain on education, strain on social cohesion, elimination of local cultures, strain on healthcare, strain on infrastructure, huge housing costs because of overcrowding. I have British expat friends who have told me this bluntly: Britain is not the same anymore, it is no longer their country. The same is happening to my native California, where 300K native-born Americans are leaving every year, to escape the same phenomenom: mass, culturally incompatible immigration from the Third World. The globalists told all of us Western people that Third World mass immigration would "enrich" our cultures -- but what it is really doing, is "replacing" our cultures -- and us. Where on earth can anyone go to live a Western lifestyle anymore? Europe, Canada, Australia, the US, New Zealand -- any developed nation founded by Western people is currently being flooded with mass incompatible Third World cultures. It's almost as if, there is, you know, this worldwide conspiracy to "cleanse" the world of all of us troublesome white people.

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25. Posted by Dustin on May 20, 2008 08:33 AM
Everyone knows the main reasons why the country is failing.

Unfortunately, we no longer have the freedom of speech to state them, and should anybody really hit the nail on the head in your comments, you probably won't publish them.

There's a tendency among the British to assume things are the same everywhere and have to be like that. As emmigrants are aware, they aren't and they don't.

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26. Posted by Fred on May 20, 2008 08:33 AM
My guess is they are repelled by life in the UK. Open-borders, endless benefits for asylum seekers, overcrowding, overpriced housing, poor quality of life, insane taxes, indigenous pensioners treated like garbage, big brother cams everywhere with a legal system that does nothing to criminals, out of control crime, areas in the UK that are "off-limits" to indigenous English people, a secularist sodom & gomorrah where everything goes, a tabloid society, no values, the Englandistan reputation and what English person could afford to start a family and what future would their children have? The English middle class is imploding due to open borders and all the reasons cited above.

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27. Posted by John L on May 20, 2008 08:33 AM
Becasue Labour, all politicians, "elf 'n' safety", PC claptrap, petty minded jobsworths and general persecution of "easy targets" and the EU have destroyed the country.

I know, I work abroad and when I come back on my holidays it is always slightly worse in some indefinable way.

It's a crap place now - but unfortuantely the wife won't leave because of our dog and parrot so I'm staying to fight on to reclaim MY country.

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28. Posted by Rich on May 20, 2008 08:33 AM
Being a foreigner in someone else's country is fair enough.
Feeling like a foreigner in your own country is intolerable. That's why I left.

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29. Posted by Bruce Scott on May 20, 2008 08:33 AM
I felt ashamed of being British under Tony Blair - lies, Iraq, corrupt practices in Government, cash for Honours, could go on for ages

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30. Posted by Ken on May 20, 2008 08:33 AM
Whilst our pensions give us a lot more purchasing power in the warmth of say SE Asia, and we are very well respected by host nations, most of us are still very proud to be British

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31. Posted by Ken on May 20, 2008 08:33 AM
Whilst our pensions give us a lot more purchasing power in the warmth of say SE Asia, and we are very well respected by host nations, most of us are still very proud to be British

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32. Posted by Long since emigrated on May 20, 2008 08:32 AM
I've got another more pertinent question for you. Why aren't even more UK citizens emigrating?

Believe me, they soon will be. Anyone who has to ask why, must be deaf dumb and blind.

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33. Posted by Pete on May 20, 2008 08:32 AM
Corrupt M.P.s cheating with expenses, a police force with its hands tied by red tape and do gooders, taxation of various forms that delivers nothing in return but above all my family now live in a country where we can stroll down the streets in the evening without being abused by groups of feral youths! My of my old friends would follow me if they could afford it. I was always proud to be British now I am ashamed of what our governments have allowed to happen.

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34. Posted by Bill Smith on May 20, 2008 08:32 AM
My wife and I emigrated in Nov 1952 to Canada. We eventually settled in Victotia BC and enjoyed a life that we probably could not have had in the UK. I was a newly qualified Chartered Acoountant and my wife was a school teacher. We have visited Austalia 5 times for periods of 8 mmonths and five months and shorter periods and I believe we would have been just as well off there as we are here.
We are typical west coasters and I only wear a tie for funerals ( one in the past 10 years), part of the freedom we have from awkward customs.
So at that time we took a chance. I would encourage young folk everywhere to take a chance " the world is your oyster" go ahead find a pearl>

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35. Posted by Zannah Lewis on May 20, 2008 08:32 AM
I moved to the South of France from Birmingham in December 2005. I left France at the end of 2007 and am now living in Bangkok. I wouldn't go back to England - it's too cold, too expensive, has too many miserable people and too many people driven by society into jobs they don't really enjoy.

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36. Posted by David Fletcher on May 20, 2008 08:32 AM
Why? You have to be joking! I came to Australia 34 years ago, the best thing I've ever done. If I wanted to live in a Muslim country, I'd choose the Middle East, not Britain. Decades of gutless pollies who've capitulated to the lie of the benefits of multiculturalism!

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37. Posted by Mark Cunliffe on May 20, 2008 08:32 AM
It's push and pull factors. I emigrated almost 4 years ago and my only regret is that I didn't do it years earlier. I now live in a society where people are treated with respect, curtesy,and geniune friendliness, where there is a high sense of community and a common culture that binds across ages, where neighbours and those living within close proximity are genuinely considered close friends, where passing people say hello and stop to chat, where eating and drinking with extended family and friends/ neighbours across age range is normal, and where people have a positive outlook on life. Oh, and where fear of crime, actual crime, and drunken yobbish behaviour is non existant. To top that we live in a warm climate that allows the living our lives outdoors away from the TV. We now have a life worth living. The push factors from the UK was the absence of all the above.

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38. Posted by Ian W on May 20, 2008 08:32 AM
I left UK in 2000 and became a permanent resident in the USA in 2003. The steady erosion of liberties had already begun in UK by 2000. Now when I go back to UK I feel like I am in a police state. Cameras everywhere, every street seems to be lined with dustbins of varying colours each with rules for their use. Police that will not turn out for a burglary can be found in numbers manning speed-traps and have-a-go-'heroes' are more likely to be imprisoned than the criminals they apprehend. The hospitals provide a service that is so poor people are scared to be admitted. preferring to fly to India and old people are treated like burdens on the system by all state bureaucrats.

Over here bins are emptied 3 times a week for less 'tax'. Medical insurance is considerably less than I used to pay in NIC. Treatment by dentists and local doctors is immediately available. Even without medical insurance the medical service in hospitals here is far superior to that in the NHS. Go around a 'flagship' hospital in UK and you will find dirty unwashed floors, peeling paintwork and second class 'care' with unfed unwashed patients; go around an inner city hospital in the US and you will find levels of care that the NHS has never and will never reach. Yes there are problems with litigation but that is nothing compared to the uncaring bureaucratic approach of the NHS and NICE.
The level of work here in the USA may not suit everyone from UK, but the friendly acceptance and willingness to support people who try to succeed is such a positive feeling compared to the negative, rule bound, target chasing and failing, defeative cynicism that socialism has engendered in the UK.

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39. Posted by Derek, Thailand on May 20, 2008 08:32 AM
Could not get Britain out of EU so the British get out instead. Over regulated, Overtaxed, Opinions ignored.

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40. Posted by David Kenny on May 20, 2008 08:32 AM
I left with my wife in 2005 an England that was changing without my consent. Came to Canada and have a new log home on 160 acres for the price of a semi in England. Grow our own food and have a few cows & sheep for meat. Happy to have left a country Nu Labour has sent down the shoot. Will not be coming back.

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41. Posted by Jules Thailand on May 20, 2008 08:32 AM
Jill Rutter made the comment that 'many Britons retired abroad because they are better off'. Not so. I believe it to be the other way round. We retire abroad because we can't afford to live in Britain on average retirement income.

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42. Posted by Richard on May 20, 2008 08:32 AM
I left because the UK THINKS it is Great but actually is not. I have travelled the world and know that I am better out than in! I dont want to live in a Policed Nanny State. So I live in Germany!

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43. Posted by Robert on May 20, 2008 08:31 AM
Well DUH! Pick from the list:

1/. High taxes - I cannot afford to live in England any longer.

2/. Ageism - I can gets jobs in any other country but England, due, very simply, to being over 45!

3/. Stifling archaic workplace - infested with mediocre university educated paper-carrying morons, adolescent minded predators doing little more than searching for their next sexual conquest, and self-serving suck-ups. And all justifying their meagre positions by making everyone else fill out redundant paperwork.

4/. The English are no longer a happy people - when explaining why I had briefly returned to the UK (because my wife wanted to), I was asked by complete strangers numerous times "why on earth would you come back here?" On their next breath: "As soon as I can I'm outa here!"

5/. England has lost the entrepreneurial spirit that once made it great - a myriad of overblown government bureaucracies, inhabited by thousands of the otherwise unemployed, make it their obsession to hinder anyone with individualism and gusto.

6/. Socialism - has gone barking mad: All the incentives are designed for people to do absolutely nothing, except collect handouts (Eastern European websites even document the procedures!) All to the cost of the dwindling working middle classes (who else do you think is leaving?), who are totally fed up of bailing out the parasitic hordes.

7/. Regulations - English freedoms have been unceremoniously destroyed by this Labour government, using an unprecedented onslaught of new laws designed to control and document the masses. England sometimes feels like Eastern Europe these days.

8/. Out of control crime - with the police and government doing absolutely nothing (except for initiating lethargic reactionary solutions) to halt the staggering increase in juvenile crime, it would seem that they are either oblivious in their delusion, or too scared to destroy their electoral base. Either way, it is the people who suffer.

9/. Debt - I quickly noticed that the only way any of my friends could survive living in England was by pouring on the debt; increasing the mortgage to put food on the table, or buying the annual (required for that ridiculous English habit of keeping up with the Joneses) Christmas presents.

10/. Congestion - I didn't live anywhere near London but the motorway congestion was appalling. And could be alleviated in a heartbeat if companies dug themselves out of the 19th century and allowed many people to work from home. ( I tele-commute from all over the world for a U.S. company - that's a great 21st century freedom thanks to technology!)

11/. Councils - are run by self-serving idiots who couldn't organize the bake sale that they just outlawed. The proof is in the outrageous, and often arbitrary, increases in council tax that mostly seem to go towards their glorious retirement pensions (that they will spend in France or Canada, no doubt).

12/. Socialism (again) - only those on benefits seem to gain with this government. Anyone who is poor, but attempting to get ahead by working, self-learning, and showing some initiative, is immediately stifled because everyone needs a piece of stupid paper describing what they are 'qualified' to do. (In that respect many who I have worked with in the last 10 years could not get a job in England, and yet their work has proven to be far superior to anything originating in England in the same field.)

13/. And did I mention taxes? Number 13 is, again, taxes, because it's the unluckiest, and most utterly ridiculous, part of living in England: How on earth does this government expect people to spend money to keep the economy going if they steal everything everyone makes? (Yes, it's stealing. Because you get nothing worthwhile in return.) Lower taxes work. They simply just work.

Get the picture?

I left England again when the wife finally grew tired of the work BS in England for so little pay. We now live in Montana, with frequent extended stays in NZ and elsewhere (and no, I'm not well-off by any means). England, however, is my home, and I greatly enjoy visiting, there's a lot to like. But I will never again work in England, it simply isn't worth it when compared to the financial and overall life freedoms found overseas.

It's a bit like stepping outside the box; once you step away you see how messed up it all was. All I want is to live on a half-decent piece of dirt where I'm not taxed to death and where people (read also the government) leave me alone. England doesn't have that.

Sad but true.



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44. Posted by Henry Cave Devine on May 20, 2008 08:30 AM
Globalisation has definitiely made it easier: language, local customs and resources including communications, healthcare and other infrastructure, and the simple fact that enough others have already done it successfully that there are colonies of familiar or like-thinking people... and good jobs... in these foreign places. The other two determinants are definitely living cost differentials and climate. I would hate to think that people are leaving because of increased immigration as a major factor, as that would show that when we felt invaded, we ran, easily leaving our nation behind. That would be sad bordering on pitiful.


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45. Posted by rick on May 20, 2008 08:30 AM
Is it the prospect of a better life elsewhere, or are British citizens repelled by life in their native land? - a bit of both in my case.
I was born in the UK and lived for the last 15 years in the capital, emigrating aged 36 with my wife and kids down under. Ive been here for 6 years and I've no plans to back and live in the UK.
London is a great city and I hugely enjoyed living there, until the kids came along and I started noticing its seediness, dirt and undercurrent of aggression, things which I'd been blind to before.
Not to say where I've gone is perfect (Melbourne), but its overall ambience is just more pleasant, it has reliable summers, there seems to be a more enlightened (less politicised?) attitude to education and people have a more personal space which makes them a little more pleasant to be around.




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46. Posted by Fin on May 20, 2008 08:29 AM
Hmm...200,000 emigrating against 500,000 immigrating - I don't think that the two figures are unconnected.

Britain (I can, sadly, no longer attach the prefix "Great") has become alien in the last ten years and it's not just about immigration - although William Hague, ridiculed at the time, was spot on when he talked about Britain becoming a foreign country at a party conference speech when he was leader.

The most damming legacy of "New labour" has been the erosion of state protection of the individual, the mendacity of the executive and the politicisation of independent state institutions. All this has led to a breakdown in the relationship between the individual and the state.

A glaring example of this is policing. Fifteen years ago, the police force (not "service") were the "Thin Blue Line". Your (the possessive is deliberate) Copper was a "Citizen in Uniform" - to quote Robert Peel, founder of the "Peelers". They kept us safe and were held in as high esteem as the Armed Forces (another institution whose esteem is eroding. When, in the past, did we ever need an "Armed Forces Day"?). Today's Police "service" is largely held in contempt by the sort of people essential to the operation of policing in a free, democratic society - the law abiding, self reliant, citizen.

Political commentators deride Blair for failing to make as great an impact on this country as, say, Margaret Thatcher, or Clement Attlee. I argue the opposite. Blair made a lasting impact on this country and the damage is such, that the productive, decent, indigenous and law abiding sections of the populace are voting with their feet.

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47. Posted by Bohemond on May 20, 2008 08:29 AM
As one of the emigrants, who moved out to Australia as a newly wed and now have children out ehre, I can say that the mainr eason was a better quality of life. The UK is unrecognisable to what it was even 25 years ago. Unchecked immigration has changed the country irrevocably, and fuelled high crime rates. It was no longer a country I felt safe in, or even recognised.

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48. Posted by PJW Holland on May 20, 2008 08:29 AM
They are the lucky ones who have escaped.

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49. Posted by MD on May 20, 2008 08:28 AM
I left to live in the USA in 1998 and after visiting the UK last May I had an overwhelming compunction to kiss the ground on my return home to Chicago. I won't be back ever!

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50. Posted by Mister Jones on May 20, 2008 08:28 AM
Why are so many Britons leaving for pastures new? Haven't you read the papers recently?

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51. Posted by Gordon Styles on May 20, 2008 08:28 AM
I am a highly skilled precision engineer and toolmaker. I left the UK and set up a mould making company in the Guangdong Province of China in 2005. The amount of success I have experienced in under 3 years eclipses that I experienced n 23 years in the UK. The UK economy is wrecked. High-tech, high-value added Industry and Manufacturing is what creates wealth. The only way you make a country more wealthy is to have a trade surplus (whoops), or create/make things nationally that have lasting value or usefulness. These things can be counted on the balance sheet of the country and thereby create wealth (see the financial success of Germany, Switzerland, Holland, China etc).

UK Industry and Manufacturing has been destroyed both by deliberate malice (Thatcher) or through abject ignorance and stupidity (Major, Blair & Brown). In the 26 years I have been in engineering, Manufacturing (particularly high-value-added engineering) has been in decline. So many of my highly skilled colleagues have left because they saw the economic writing on the wall. It would be good to think that a change of political party would help the situation - but clearly the Blues are just as ignorant and stupid as the Reds. If there was a political party that was preparing to put Billions into proper technical apprenticeships for 14 to 16 year olds, 250,000 per year are needed just to replace losses, then there might be hope for the UK. I guess that's just not going to happen. Gordon Styles

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52. Posted by Daryl Cox on May 20, 2008 08:25 AM
I left the UK 18 years ago and have been living and working in South East Asia since then.. I pass through the UK often and work with many guys still resident there.. All I can say is that the Uk has become a shadow of it's former self.. It's identity and culture has been eroded to the point where it's hard to be proud of being British any more..The apologists and the politically correct have made British culture and our historical endevours and victories something to be ashamed of. Brits are now only associated with drunken football holigans and middle aged baldies wearing football shirts.. Churchill, Nelson, Brunel, Newton and others are hardly mentioned.
Along with the loss of our culture Brits now have to suffer the rise of the 'benefit culture', crime, high taxation and a multitude of overlegislation from Europe.
Lastly the huge decline in standards of everything from the BBC to the printed media not to mention such basic as table manners and polite speech.. Everything dumbed down to the lowest common denominator and handed on a plate for the lazy, undeserving or the criminal.. Forget it I need a place that has strict laws, low taxation, public services that work, a belief in education and rewards for people that work.. Think Singapore and you are getting close to what the UK should be like.. Funny how one of our ex- colonies can now show us they way forward..

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53. Posted by Chris Wills on May 20, 2008 08:25 AM
The figures speak for themselves 4m in a decade is obsolutely silly. Who is controlling this situation, Clearly No One!!

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54. Posted by John Mc Fall on May 20, 2008 08:25 AM
My family emigrated three years ago to South Africa, the main reason was one of complete dissilusionment with the wrecking of britain by blair and his govt. I would rather live in a new country where there is hope for the future than one in which the political classes are only concerned about themselves and stealing as much as they can from the tax payer. No point in staying to fight for what I believe in as these parasitical labourites have killed off any hope for a return to the things we value and cherish. Good luck to those who stay behind, Johno

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55. Posted by Saddened Hussein on May 20, 2008 08:25 AM
The British values have gone. Our green & pleasant land is fast becoming a housing project for anyone who wants to move in from anywhere.
The younger generations have little or no direction, as no one telling them right from wrong or pulling them into line when they sway towards wrong.
Teachers, parent & the police force have their hans tied in terms of discipline.
All these things thanks, mainly, to the Labour party, it's deceipt, greed, shortsightedness and Granny tendencies.
Unfortunately, the immigrants will probably vote Labour so that they can continue with the easy life and get more familly memebres in on the scam.
Hopefully, Bris is the start of a new era in which we can all become proud again and have the best schools in the world and our football teams made up of, and run by, Brits.

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56. Posted by Julian Smith on May 20, 2008 08:25 AM
I left Britain in 1993 for Latin America. Never regretted it - especially not now. Europe will decline significantly over the next two decades. The Euro-state is big and taxes are high. Services are seizing up. The population is getting older. Labour has ensured honest pensioners will live impoverished lives. The prospects are grim. America is optimistic and future-driven. Opportunity is exploited and earned success is celebrated. But the main thing is that southerners in the Uk are so ultra competitive in everything they do. Think the sneering " I am better than you" syndrome ranging from " my holiday was more interesting than yours" to the "WeI make more informed choices than you" to the " my house has gone up in value more than yours" is a sordid trait of a "classless Britain" predicated on a credit orgy . Give me Devon, Yorkshire and the glorious Dales, Cornwall, the Highlands, Liverpool (for the humour and the candid honesty) and the Peak District but the rest of it - well never again thank you very much.

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57. Posted by Lee Carlson on May 20, 2008 08:25 AM
I left the UK in December 2001. Best decision I ever made in my life. I'm not young, I am working hard in the US to survive, but I am happier here than I have ever been. I'm legal, I have a green card, and I do not miss a single thing about the UK except my family. National Health? Don't make me laugh. I have excellent health care with doctors who care about me - maybe because I pay them, but they have TIME to listen to me BECAUSE I am paying them. I will come back to visit the UK, just to see my family, but I have a better life here than I did in Scotland.

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58. Posted by Jules Harris on May 20, 2008 08:25 AM
The reasons I left the UK:

Overcrowded
Crime/ Yobbishness
Wealth gap getting wider
No pride any more in being British

After moving to France I found that the people are very polite and kind, contrary to popular opinion in the UK.


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59. Posted by dave on May 20, 2008 08:24 AM
Why? It is fear for what is coming. Despair from the betrayal of the original inhabitants.Hope for a better life abroad.

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60. Posted by cn on May 20, 2008 08:24 AM
We left Devon for the South of France 5 years ago mainly for the winter climate. 5 years on, we would never now return. Can we think of ANYTHING better about England? Not really. Can we think of anything better about France? VERY nearly everything, we've both come to think. We just wish we'd done it years earlier.

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61. Posted by David Keen on May 20, 2008 08:24 AM
Quite simply repelled by what England has become under New Labour. A haven for terrorists, religious maniacs and welfare parasites, a country dominated by PC idiots and health and safety cretins; corrupt politicians and greedy local government officials and staff.
D.Keen

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62. Posted by Jack Black on May 20, 2008 08:24 AM
"Why are so many Britons emigrating?"

Because the New World Order elite have done everything in their power to make life uncomfortable for the British in their own land. This, in order to bring forward the Global Village where no one can claim sovereignty over their own little patch of ground except the elite, who own everything.

Is it the prospect of a better life elsewhere, or are British citizens repelled by life in their native land?

Both.

TV and Magazine propaganda tells us that life is much better just about anywhere else on the planet. The acutality of life here, where a brutish PC elite has not allowed us to govern in our own best interests for over 40 years now, suggests that life has to better elsewhere.

Has globalisation made it easier to settle abroad?

Oh yes.

Of course. THEY want us OUT.

Thus, THEY make it easy for us to leave.

Check out the iamanenglishman web site.


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63. Posted by David Ambrose on May 20, 2008 08:24 AM
My wife & I left the UK in 2005, having planned it in 2003. Reason: Blair and his cronies have ruined the country; we are NOT wealthy - we could not afford to retire in the UK and have found that we can live reasonably well in Spain. Since leaving things seem to have got far worse than I could have imagined. What a tragedy!

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64. Posted by Watson on May 20, 2008 08:24 AM
I won't have long to wait. Scotland is about to leave the UK.

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65. Posted by Tom Poynton on May 20, 2008 08:24 AM
THIS is why people are leaving:

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/telecoms/article3965033.ece



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66. Posted by carlos fandango on May 20, 2008 08:23 AM
I think you will find that those wealth creators and doers that bind a community together are the ones giving up and leaving in despair at the way this country has gone. They are being replaced by vast numbers of immigrants purely here for the benefits system. Even the hard working immigrants pack up and leave after a couple of years.
Drive/walk down any major London road and check out the beggars etc.
Only thing keeping me here is my job. When I retire...arrivederci and thanks for all the fish.

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67. Posted by expat on May 20, 2008 08:07 AM
You only have to read what Brits are saying on various forums to see why they are leaving the U.K and why many more want to leave.

It's very evident that uncontrolled mass immigration is the major reason why people have left England. There's only way to stop mass immigration and other harmful EU laws being imposed on England and that is to pull out of the EU, but as none of the major political parties have any intentions of doing that, expect more of the same and worse. So sad

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68. Posted by amanda on May 20, 2008 08:07 AM
COST OF LIVING!!!! We don't drink, don't smoke, went out saturday night for the first time in well over a year, have to educate our children privately as the school system is so crap, food bills, petrol costs, council tax, water rates, need I go on. Many friends in america living a life of luxury - they earn no more than we do, how their life is different - sigh.....

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69. Posted by Anthony Price on May 20, 2008 08:07 AM
Uncontrolled immigration
'human rights' for savages
Lack of rights for the indigenous population.
Tax and waste socialism in national government.
Institutionalised corruption in local government.
A state education system that produces illiterates.
The barbarians are not at the gates, they are at the controls.

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70. Posted by Steve Nicolsson on May 20, 2008 08:06 AM
Better to ask "Why stay?"

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71. Posted by dave on May 20, 2008 08:06 AM
Why? It is fear for what is coming. Despair from the betrayal of the original inhabitants.Hope for a better life abroad.

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72. Posted by fedupandenglish on May 20, 2008 08:06 AM
I'd leave tomorrow if I could find an english speaking enclave that has a retiree category. (Any suggestions anyone?) Unfortunately I have alsways been terrible at learning languages and could not condsider emigrating to a land where I couldn't speak the language.

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73. Posted by londoner234 on May 20, 2008 08:06 AM
im a 83 yrs old ww2 vet. and if i was younger i would be out of uk like a shot. its a rubbish dump for aliens to come hear and gain all the benefits we all worked and fought for, they bring their rotten social habits and want us to live like they do or they will kill us. in a generation or two this will be the islamic republic of britain. i am glad i wont be here.

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74. Posted by Donna Walker on May 20, 2008 08:06 AM
High taxes; poor services. Impossible for young people to get on the housing ladder; too much political correctness; poor government; breakdown in law and order and the civil society; the Human Rights Act which seems to favour criminals and illegal immigrants rather than the law-abiding; stealth taxes penalising the poorest; the education system; council tax; NuLabour and it's lies ..... if I could leave I would.

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75. Posted by Goodbye Blighty on May 20, 2008 08:06 AM
Just read your story headlines on a daily basis and you will fully understand what this exodus is about. And I am one of those fleeing for a better life elsewhere.
If you children are mugged on their way home from school - as mine have been, WHY STAY?
If the prospect of being ignored and despised when old - as too many of our elderly are -WHY STAY?
When my taxes go up and up inexorably for no better services - WHY STAY?
When politicians spin and spin and look out primarily for themselves and their image rather than for the betterment of society - WHY STAY?
When criminals are let out of jail early (or in many cases never get sent there) because our prisons can't cope - WHY STAY?
When salaries and lifestyle overseas are so much better than here - WHY STAY?
When your kids have zero prospect of getting on the housing ladder EVER - WHY STAY?

NEED I GO ON?
I THINK NOT. I WILL WATCH THE DECLINE OF THIS ONCE GREAT NATION FROM AFAR.

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76. Posted by fonc on May 20, 2008 08:06 AM
We left the uk some years ago but not because we hate the uk. We just felt that there were other experiences we and our children could have. We enjoy going back to the uk and I expect that as our children finish their education they will return to work. There is no work in over bureaucratic France as is proven by all the young french in London. Our families in the uk seem to be thriving and are certainly better off than we are. I watch brits coming over here and then I watch them going back because the grass isn't always greener. I think the comments that surprise me most are the ones about leaving because of the immigrant population. Do none of you realise that although you call yourselves expats, just because you are British and used to have an empire, you are infact immigrants in your new countries? I am acutely aware of this and try to behave in a way that I am neither a burden nor need special care in France. This cannot be said of the majority of brits here. Many do not declare themselves, their earnings or their pensions here for fear of having to pay into their new country but are happy to make free of the facilities. Many cannot or do not make the effort to learn the language and expect it all to be done in English. I know that they are some of the very people who left because of an immigration issue in the UK. Wake up Brits and realise that you are just the same as the rest of the moving world population and enjoy it for what it is and stop moaning!

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77. Posted by Nicky Butler on May 20, 2008 08:06 AM
"or are British citizens repelled by life in their native land?"

For me, the answer to that is "yes", which is why I left the UK. No country is without its problems but at least the one I now call home isn't afraid of its own identity and doesn't "nanny" its citizens. Ironically, despite being a third-world nation, the people here are some of the most hopeful and happiest individuals I have ever met. Because of what it has become, I will never return to the UK.

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78. Posted by Vandiemen on May 20, 2008 08:06 AM
I didn't leave my country..It left me. The only way I would return is to support any insurrection which will result in the trial of Blair, Brown, Straw , Campbell (A.) for treason.

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79. Posted by xpatjock on May 20, 2008 08:05 AM
As a scot I get annoyed with som eof teh comments about foks leaving BRITAIN because Engkland is no longer for the English, or as one person put it the BBC is undermining English culture. For most of the time since its launch the BBC has pushed Engishness to the fore, forever talking about England when meaning the entire UK.
The fact is as many Scots, Welsh and Ulstermen are leaving the UK ( As a percentage of the indigenous population) as there are English. Reasons? Simple, there is a better quality of life (less tax, less regulation cheaper cost of living etc) elsewhere for anyone who is willing to work for it. What we are left with in any of the home countries is the dross that will never work (and that includes some indigenous SCots English and welsh, not every dosser is from abroad).

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80. Posted by jay panya on May 20, 2008 08:05 AM
Not surprising at all.

when will the remianing 55 million leave, after the torys

too have let them down ?

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81. Posted by fonc on May 20, 2008 08:05 AM
We left the uk some years ago but not because we hate the uk. We just felt that there were other experiences we and our children could have. We enjoy going back to the uk and I expect that as our children finish their education they will return to work. There is no work in over bureaucratic France as is proven by all the young french in London. Our families in the uk seem to be thriving and are certainly better off than we are. I watch brits coming over here and then I watch them going back because the grass isn't always greener. I think the comments that surprise me most are the ones about leaving because of the immigrant population. Do none of you realise that although you call yourselves expats, just because you are British and used to have an empire, you are infact immigrants in your new countries? I am acutely aware of this and try to behave in a way that I am neither a burden nor need special care in France. This cannot be said of the majority of brits here. Many do not declare themselves, their earnings or their pensions here for fear of having to pay into their new country but are happy to make free of the facilities. Many cannot or do not make the effort to learn the language and expect it all to be done in English. I know that they are some of the very people who left because of an immigration issue in the UK. Wake up Brits and realise that you are just the same as the rest of the moving world population and enjoy it for what it is and stop moaning!

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82. Posted by fonc on May 20, 2008 08:05 AM
We left the uk some years ago but not because we hate the uk. We just felt that there were other experiences we and our children could have. We enjoy going back to the uk and I expect that as our children finish their education they will return to work. There is no work in over bureaucratic France as is proven by all the young french in London. Our families in the uk seem to be thriving and are certainly better off than we are. I watch brits coming over here and then I watch them going back because the grass isn't always greener. I think the comments that surprise me most are the ones about leaving because of the immigrant population. Do none of you realise that although you call yourselves expats, just because you are British and used to have an empire, you are infact immigrants in your new countries? I am acutely aware of this and try to behave in a way that I am neither a burden nor need special care in France. This cannot be said of the majority of brits here. Many do not declare themselves, their earnings or their pensions here for fear of having to pay into their new country but are happy to make free of the facilities. Many cannot or do not make the effort to learn the language and expect it all to be done in English. I know that they are some of the very people who left because of an immigration issue in the UK. Wake up Brits and realise that you are just the same as the rest of the moving world population and enjoy it for what it is and stop moaning!

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83. Posted by wendy harvey on May 20, 2008 07:59 AM
Politically correctness, crime,immigration, drugs, binge drinkers, lousy pensions, sky high cost of living, handouts and free housing to parasites who don't want to work, single parenting, high abortion levels, filthy hospitals, traffic wardens, clamping, no jobs for the Brits but plenty for the Polish, celebrity culture, - I could go on......

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84. Posted by Goodbye Blighty on May 20, 2008 07:59 AM
Just read your story headlines on a daily basis and you will fully understand what this exodus is about. And I am one of those fleeing for a better life elsewhere.
If you children are mugged on their way home from school - as mine have been, WHY STAY?
If the prospect of being ignored and despised when old - as too many of our elderly are -WHY STAY?
When my taxes go up and up inexorably for no better services - WHY STAY?
When politicians spin and spin and look out primarily for themselves and their image rather than for the betterment of society - WHY STAY?
When criminals are let out of jail early (or in many cases never get sent there) because our prisons can't cope - WHY STAY?
When salaries and lifestyle overseas are so much better than here - WHY STAY?
When your kids have zero prospect of getting on the housing ladder EVER - WHY STAY?

NEED I GO ON?
I THINK NOT. I WILL WATCH THE DECLINE OF THIS ONCE GREAT NATION FROM AFAR.

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well, there's a few good reasons, fcuk - where's me passport?
Most depressing thing i've read for a while :(
By post 44 I was getting ready to pack my suitcase. Then I remembered that the kids were at school.

F*ck me, that was dreadful. Is there any prospect of this being reversed? I personally doubt it. The self centred attitude has spread far and wide and that includes into the Forces.

All Labour have done to themselves is what the Tories did to force us to vote them out. They've been around too long now and that alone is reason in my book to get shot of them. I've no faith whatsoever in Cameron and it chokes me to say that even though he's just another Tony Blair, a change must be as good as a rest. It'll kill me to vote Tory, but there is nothing that this current bunch of criminals can do to make me vote for them.

Is there a party out there worth your vote who will restore the pride in being British or will voter apathy keep Labour in power?
 
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Left UK 18 years ago and haven't looked back. Whilst Germany is not paradise, at least the health system works, the roads are better, travel is easy and I have more rights (unfortunately so do the chavs).
 
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This was my favorite -

Uncontrolled immigration
'human rights' for savages
Lack of rights for the indigenous population.
Tax and waste socialism in national government.
Institutionalised corruption in local government.
A state education system that produces illiterates.
The barbarians are not at the gates, they are at the controls.
 
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As soon as i win the lottery / qualify to emigrate to Australia then i'll be out of the depressing country as well. This country has gone downhill faster than the cheese at that weird cheese rolling hill contest thing!
 
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Very interesting that the dominating reason is the gobmints lack of governing. Sadly I cannot see any political party in this country strong enough to pull UK out of it.

I have read recently the Jocks and Taffs have their own 'cut and run' agenda's (similar to Ireland had in the 1920's) and the best of luck to them, I certainly don't blame them. Its ironic that its UK taxpayers paying (again) for minority group lifestyle choices! I would laugh but its not funny!

Have been researching for a way out for a while but due to other countries having immigration polices that would have prevented this decline in GB I am having to complete my degree before I become eligible, then get a job and hope that at 48 (when qualified) I won't be too old!

Dare I say it, I am even considering France!

My ancestors are not only turning in their graves but are packing their bags too!
 
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Might be because they invested in property during the good decade, cashed in and now can live the life of Reilly in foreign sunnier, cheaper climes?
 
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German Chavs? Say it ain't so?

By all accounts the Germans are also leaving in droves. USA, Switzerland and Poland appear to be the favourites. Whilst I can see the attraction of the first two....Poland? I suppose there's lots of cheap empty housing there, seeing as the previous tenants left for Germany just as soon as they could.

Damn that Gorbachov fella and his f*cking perastroyka. Things were better when the wall was up. We were over here and they were over there. What else did a chap need to know?

German Chavs though? It'll take a few hours for that image to materialise. Are you sure that they're not dependants?
 
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As soon as i win the lottery / qualify to emigrate to Australia then i'll be out of the depressing country as well. This country has gone downhill faster than the cheese at that weird cheese rolling hill contest thing!
Now banned due to health and safety concerns - no duff!
 
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I left three years ago and went to Spain.
I stayed a little while (not very long at all) and came back. One of the prime reasons for returning was simply that I am Britsih, I don't want to be Spanish or European or Australian or whatever. I just want to be British.
I want my country back, I don't believe for a moment that any of our politicians of whatever flavour will give me that. I don't have any of the answers other than its perhaps time to dangle a few politicians from lamposts to remind them who they work for.
I may be pwerless to effect a change but that doesn't mean I should desert my Country for foreign shores. Curiously enough thats exactly how leaving for Spain felt, like deserting. I'll stick around in the vain hope that a meteorite may drop on Parliament.
Personally I think it will only get better when some people are rounded up, tried for Treason and strung up. But hey ho, thats subversive talk and I am sure a suitable re-education facility will be arranged in due course.
 
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Left UK 18 years ago and haven't looked back. Whilst Germany is not paradise, at least the health system works, the roads are better, travel is easy and I have more rights (unfortunately so do the chavs).
Drilligaf are you in Monchengladbach by any chance? I was gonna pop over for a visit but someone told me I would be dissapointed as it has changed so much since the 80's :oops: when I was there, I'll understand if you don't want to say your location here - I'm not a complete knob, I don't think :wink:
The JHQ thing made me ask.
 
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Biscuits_AB said:
German Chavs? Say it ain't so?

By all accounts the Germans are also leaving in droves. USA, Switzerland and Poland appear to be the favourites. Whilst I can see the attraction of the first two....Poland? I suppose there's lots of cheap empty housing there, seeing as the previous tenants left for Germany just as soon as they could.

Damn that Gorbachov fella and his f*cking perastroyka. Things were better when the wall was up. We were over here and they were over there. What else did a chap need to know?

German Chavs though? It'll take a few hours for that image to materialise. Are you sure that they're not dependants?[/quote]

First Two highlights - isn't anyone else's alrm bells ringing ???

Third Highlight - certainly the case for anyone who served in Berlin/Helmstedt, hindsight is certainly my first wish when I find that genie character

Fourth highlight - ROFL, outstanding observation and yet so obvious!
 
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Just before Xmas 2006 the youngest needed to goto the docs out of hours. Yes you guess - take him to hospital. So off to hospital we go, wait of 4 hrs. "Sorry we cant issue you the drugs as the hospital pharmacy is closed and as you are not through the A&E system we can't give them to you."

So drop nipper off at home (8 months old) and off i goto hunt down the antibiotics. After 4 different late night pharmacies smile and say NO i was advised that I could get it from one 20 miles away in North London (we were South of the river).

Game over- off to the middle east we go! UK is on its knees crippled by everything that has already been discussed.

We are now here and abide by the UAE's laws. If i get caught pissed in the street, I get my head shaved and deported- fine their rules their country.

If i dont like it and not willing to live by their rules- I can leave.

I respect that- doesn't happen in the UK does it?
 
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#17
feckemall said:
Biscuits_AB said:
German Chavs? Say it ain't so?

By all accounts the Germans are also leaving in droves. USA, Switzerland and Poland appear to be the favourites. Whilst I can see the attraction of the first two....Poland? I suppose there's lots of cheap empty housing there, seeing as the previous tenants left for Germany just as soon as they could.

Damn that Gorbachov fella and his f*cking perastroyka. Things were better when the wall was up. We were over here and they were over there. What else did a chap need to know?

German Chavs though? It'll take a few hours for that image to materialise. Are you sure that they're not dependants?[/quote]

First Two highlights - isn't anyone else's alrm bells ringing ???

Third Highlight - certainly the case for anyone who served in Berlin/Helmstedt, hindsight is certainly my first wish when I find that genie character

Fourth highlight - ROFL, outstanding observation and yet so obvious!
With regard to your comment re 'alarm bells ringing'. I don't think that the Germans are actually taking tanks with them this time.
 
#18
feckemall said:
Very interesting that the dominating reason is the gobmints lack of governing. Sadly I cannot see any political party in this country strong enough to pull UK out of it.

I have read recently the Jocks and Taffs have their own 'cut and run' agenda's (similar to Ireland had in the 1920's) and the best of luck to them, I certainly don't blame them. Its ironic that its UK taxpayers paying (again) for minority group lifestyle choices! I would laugh but its not funny!

Have been researching for a way out for a while but due to other countries having immigration polices that would have prevented this decline in GB I am having to complete my degree before I become eligible, then get a job and hope that at 48 (when qualified) I won't be too old!

Dare I say it, I am even considering France!

My ancestors are not only turning in their graves but are packing their bags too!
Don't do it!!!!!! Thats one place i'd refuse to live out of principle!
 
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armchair_jihad said:
box-of-frogs said:
As soon as i win the lottery / qualify to emigrate to Australia then i'll be out of the depressing country as well. This country has gone downhill faster than the cheese at that weird cheese rolling hill contest thing!
Now banned due to health and safety concerns - no duff!
Hanging my head in shame at the awful news that cheese rolling is no longer.......... More evidence at the demise of this once great country. :cry:
 
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Do none of you realise that although you call yourselves expats, just because you are British and used to have an empire, you are infact immigrants in your new countries? I am acutely aware of this and try to behave in a way that I am neither a burden nor need special care in France. This cannot be said of the majority of brits here. Many do not declare themselves, their earnings or their pensions here for fear of having to pay into their new country but are happy to make free of the facilities. Many cannot or do not make the effort to learn the language and expect it all to be done in English.
LOL



Besides, a load of Brits who've upped-sticks, landed themselves in some foreign hell-hole, and now desperately miss Marmite are unlikely to admit what idiots they've been. They'll put a brave face on it, lie about the 'best decision I ever made!' while secretly buying HP Sauce off the internet!

Then there's the question of disloyalty. These people cashed in on the bloated UK housing market, squirreled their money away abroad and now slag off their country of origin. I don't want such people in the UK, and the idea of them looking longingly at Marmite on the internet makes me laugh. Let them stew in their foreign juice (and slap a damn great export tax on Marmite).
 

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