Who will be the next leader of the party?

Who will be the next Labour Leader?

  • Jack Straw

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • David Milliband

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • John Reid

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Des Browne

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Alan Johnson

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Shawn Woodward

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    0
#1
If you follow my posts you will see that I follow politics quite closely. I am a constant critic of the Labour government, not because I am a fan of the Conservative Party but because I believe they have made a mess of the UK and everything they have done during the past ten years other than presenting themselves as something they are not. I don't think I need to list all their failings as you will all instantly think of a great deal of these without my prompting.

The focus in the media has been that the Conservatives (Cameron) are failing to nail Labour down but I disagree. It is the same old story, they (Labour) have no policy of their own being merely reactive to the media and whatever is being discussed by the opposition.

I believe that this approach will finally end in an election failure this time and they will go into meltdown (party debts, MPs who jumped ship from other parties or joined Labour for the wrong reason).

So rather than speculating on who might replace David Cameron or Sir Menzies Campbell, which is what Labour want you to think about; who will replace Gordon Brown when he fails to lead Labour to re-election?

I think this is a story the media have thought about but are holding (as they fear being the first to discuss this in case they look stupid). It is about time this was discussed seriously as Labour has failed and the the only way we can address our problems is with a new government, not New Labour...
 
#2
You seem to follow them closely, but with little understanding - a bit like a pig with a Rolex.
 
#3
Cuddles said:
You seem to follow them closely, but with little understanding - a bit like a pig with a Rolex.
Hey cuddles has gordon slipped you a crippler or are you just feeling belligerent tonight? :D
 
#4
Paris Hilton? Brian fwom Big Bwuther?
 
#5
Cuddles said:
You seem to follow them closely, but with little understanding - a bit like a pig with a Rolex.
Instead of drivel at least offer a reasoned opinion... Back up why I am so wrong or have such limited understanding. Your posts are normally quite compos so to say I am disappointed is a bit of an understatement.

I also suggest that you try to answer without referring to the last posts you have read; that's not really original thought is it?
 
#7
Resurgam said:
I suspect Straw fancies his chances but will fail. How about Milliband?
The Conservatives have a saying that you never see their leaders coming. I don't think this can be said of Labour going by the past three leaders they have had.

If we get enough sensible answers maybe it's worth a poll being added; we'll see!
 
#10
Unfortunately most of the great unwashed British public don't agree. They voted Blair back in last time and will probably give Gordon the Grabber another chance next time. He can then retire (after being Chancellor for 10 years and PM for at least 6) and that's when the Tories will have their chance. I, personally, cannot believe the voters were so naive last time and it's one of the reasons (the main reason to be honest) I'm baling out. As I've posted before, I love Britain but this is not the Britain I love. The rot did start before the Blair era but it has just got worse and worse. Look at most of the posts on the site about kids shooting each other, kids stoning people to death, the absolute travesty of the way the Forces are being treated. etc etc etc. And yet still the British public votes for the party who will maintain their high standard of benefits knowing they can rely on the Yooman Rites faction to keep them out of trouble.
IMO I think Brown will call an election next year and get back in. I hope I am massively wrong on this and justice prevails but I also can't see any of the other lot making much of a difference in the first couple of years. Maggie tried to make things fairer by bringing in the Poll tax and see where that got her. Anything that means those who milk the system for all its worth having to finally pay their way will bring down any Government that tries it.
 
#15
And yet still the British public votes for the party who will maintain their high standard of benefits knowing they can rely on the Yooman Rites faction to keep them out of trouble.
"The downfall of a democracy begins when the electorate realizes it can vote itself money."

Not my quote... But it makes me glad there was a huge rainstorm in Jamaica in 1986 that led me to meet my American wife... :D
 
#16
Healey may be "the best PM we never had", but he did at least "walk the walk" unlike the cretins today.

Extract from Wikipedia

After Healey had taken his degree, he served in World War II, with the Royal Engineers, in North Africa, Sicily and Italy, and was the Military Landing Officer for the British assault brigade at Anzio. Leaving the service with the rank of Major after the war - he declined an offer to remain in the army as a Lieutenant-Colonel -
 
#18
Airborne_Aircrew said:
"The downfall of a democracy begins when the electorate realizes it can vote itself money."

Not my quote...
I believe this may be the quote.

A democracy…[will] only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.

- Unknown (apparently not Alexander Tytler)


It is my opinion that we have moved into the Lairbour dictatorship some time ago. The defining difference from this quote was that the change from democracy was conspired by political greed as opposed to electoral choice.
 
#19
exbleep said:
Unfortunately most of the great unwashed British public don't agree. They voted Blair back in last time and will probably give Gordon the Grabber another chance next time. .....
IMO I think Brown will call an election next year and get back in.
I'm not so sure. Polls in England give him between a 0% and 8% lead, and that was before Dave Cameron reached puberty last week and started talking sense about crime and immigration.

Scottish polls put Labour 16% behind the SNP - enough to lose them an election and lose some prominent Labour MPs their seats (remember Portillo in 97?). If I was Brown, I wouldn't bet my job on the English polls being right and the Scottish ones being wrong.

On the other hand, if he waits, things can only get worse (as we didn't sing in 1997). You simply can't run an economy with 30% of the population dependent on benefits, another 20% working for the government, massive, uncontrolled immigration and taxation at its highest ever peace time levels.

The cracks in the economy are getting too big for the spin doctors to hide. Inflation, unemployment, personal bankruptcies and company insolvencies are all on the rise. There isn't enough cash left to give public sector workers pay rises in line with inflation so we're going to see increasing numbers of strikes like the prison officers' walk out last week. I understand nurses are next in line to ballot for a strike. Winter of Discontent anybody?

Add to this the fact that the party's broke, were facing an unprecedented crisis in law and order and our public services are among the worst in the developed world and it won't take much for the Tories to persuade people that things can only get better with a Tory government.

As I said in a previous thread, Gordon's stuck between a rock and a hard place. If I had to make a prediction, I'd say he'll hang on till 2010 before retiring to do Jim Callaghan impressions.
 
#20
I appreciate where hellfyyr is coming from. However I just feel disappointment in all of the Politicians currently on offer. Do they really think that their behaviour in the House of Commons warrants the large amounts of money that they are salaried. Most of the time it looks like a school clasroom when the teacher has popped out. At one time I thought that perhaps a coallition government would be preferable and they could all pull in the same direction and actually do what was best for the country and not what would get them re-elected. But alas I don't have enough confidence in any of these people to lead the country at this time, either on one team or as separate parties. Which film was it where the voting slip had an option to vote for "none of the above"? It really would be possible to send them an unmissable message. They don't care if you don't vote because it doesn't help their opposition or hinder them. If however you could vote as suggested for none of the above, all party politicians would then see that a lot of people wanted to vote but none of the candidates were up to the task. I'll stop rattling on now!
 

Similar threads

Latest Threads