Who used C4 as firelighters ?

#21
Wasn't there something in some book about some of THEM using PE to weld a land rover back together?
 
#22
Hugh_Jardon said:
Wasn't there something in some book about some of THEM using PE to weld a land rover back together?
Yeah ,it was by a black guy,B.A something and his mates
 
#23
amazing__lobster said:
Older_by_the_day said:
You've been drinking too haven't you? :p

Come on, own up...
Sadly, I've been working the past two days - but tomorrow I'm off home, so maybe I'll get drunk enough to start equally irrelevant threads!
Ah forgot that! Must be your fatigue starting to kick in! :)
 
#25
30 odd years ago we were using PE 808, sh1t stuff stank of marzipan and gave ye heedaches, gun cootton primers and Dets yer Granny made FFS. PE 3A the fore runner of PE 4 was much better.
Only the Spams use C4 as I know and not as good as RDTNT.

Av never started a fire or cooked on PE 4, whats the point when yiv got a Tank full of Benz or a Bluey or Hexi block fir that matter.

Fuze Instantainious (Fuze Instant Low Ex) was the one that the non RE used to FK about with and its use was fazed oot, probably due to invited guests experiencing what we used to do with it and they then went of and burned their Barracks/house/church down
 
#26
Just come back from Lanzarote myself, had no problems with anything, but that may have been because I was invisible, thanks to that special cabbage the woman on the corner gave me.
 
#27
"PE808 Petition by Lilian Lawson, on behalf of the Scottish Council on
Deafness, calling for the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Executive to
develop and establish a specialist inpatient mental health unit for deaf and
deafblind people and to provide resources (e.g. training) for mainstream
psychiatric services in the community to make them more accessible to deaf
and deafblind people in Scotland."


So now we know the full effect of PE 808 :D
 
#28
HE117 said:
"PE808 Petition by Lilian Lawson, on behalf of the Scottish Council on
Deafness, calling for the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Executive to
develop and establish a specialist inpatient mental health unit for deaf and
deafblind people and to provide resources (e.g. training) for mainstream
psychiatric services in the community to make them more accessible to deaf
and deafblind people in Scotland."


So now we know the full effect of PE 808 :D
8O FFS Can you send or post me the details :?

Oh its PEtition 808 :roll: heh he
 
#29
Well, I remmeber from my DSO cse that as PE4 does not burn to detonation (other than in certain condititions) it used to be disposed of by burning. Until the mid 80's when a load was being disposed of in the Falklands in a metal drum and it high ordered as there was so much of it. :!:
 
#30
I remember the Falklands incident a SSGT lost his hand, the seagulls flew off with all the fingers, but we regularly burnt PE4 at the end of a range day if we ran out of time.
 
#31
MacSapper said:
30 odd years ago we were using PE 808, sh1t stuff stank of marzipan and gave ye heedaches, gun cootton primers and Dets yer Granny made FFS. PE 3A the fore runner of PE 4 was much better.
Only the Spams use C4 as I know and not as good as RDTNT<
Ah I think you mean 'Nobels 808' Demolition Explosives in 4oz sticks which could be fired by det cord, electrical charge or by timer pencils. Not really classed as Plastic Explosives during WWII (PE2, 2A were used) or later (when PE 3, 3A or 4 was on issue) as it was not as workable as PE and was mainly used as made up charges or bricks.

I remember perparing tonnes upon tonnes of the stuff for Deep Sea Dumping in the mid 70's (much of it was backloaded banded into demolition bricks direct from the forward depots) and the only real cure for 'Nobels Head' was a swift jar or two down the NAAFI at Lunchtime and in the evening. Had to be repacked into lined drilled metal boxes with stone ballist so it would sink.
 
#32
30 odd years ago we were using PE 808, sh1t stuff stank of marzipan and gave ye heedaches, gun cootton primers and Dets yer Granny made FFS. PE 3A the fore runner of PE 4 was much better.
Only the Spams use C4 as I know and not as good as RDTNT.

Av never started a fire or cooked on PE 4, whats the point when yiv got a Tank full of Benz or a Bluey or Hexi block fir that matter.

Fuze Instantainious (Fuze Instant Low Ex) was the one that the non RE used to FK about with and its use was fazed oot, probably due to invited guests experiencing what we used to do with it and they then went of and burned their Barracks/house/church down



This guy knows what I am talking about.

Maybe the sprogs haven't used this stuff ?

p.s. Hexamine blocks were rubbish.
 
#33
Nobels 808 was classified as a plastic explosive. It was a commercial product made at Ardeer by ICI Nobel division. PE 2,3,4 etc were made by the Royal Ordnance factories (usually Bridgewater).

There were also made up demolition charges made from wet guncotton or TNT in slab format. These were discontinued after WW2, however they were knocking around until the late 60s, early 70s. When demolition slabs went out of use, the practice was (and still is) to use bulk PE that had failed plasticity test. These were mostly held in BAOR to meet the planned demolition programme.

PE 808 is known commercially as plaster gelatin, or gelignite. It is basically a mixture of Nitroglycerin and Nitrocellulose, with in the case of 808, some stabilisers and extra plasticiser. It was light green/yellow in colour. Nitroglycerine is a powerful vasodilator, in other words it makes your blood vessels expand. This is handy if you are having a heart attack, but gives you the mother of a headache otherwise...

PE 4 is based on RDX which does not give you headaches, but also contains some nasty stuff - so always wear gloves!

It is possible to burn most explosives, however there are dangers and only ATs and BDOs are allowed to do it...
 
#34
Thanks HE117, I did mean to say it was not called PE808 (Plastic Explosive 808) but Nobels 808 in army service. You are of course correct it was indeed a plastic explosive non the less.

No 'Elf & Safety' in the 70's but we did wear rubber nbc or surgical gloves if you could get them when handling bulk explosives, but the stuff still gave you an headache!

The 'demolition bricks' I was taliking about were boxes of 808 pre-banded into a block ready made to blow key points such as bridges, these were replaced with PE4 of selected batches in the 1970's

The PE4 'bricks' were stored 4 or 6 'bricks' to a pallet with a data plate of special batch number & quantity in pounds, and a notice that is was only to be use as a pre-prepared charge. Last saw a prepared 'brick' c1986 at Bracht.
 
#35
dunstaggin said:
Recently come back from Lanzarote. The Bullshit that we have to put up with on flights nowadays and pay for the feckin priviledge.

What we did see is that in lanzarote they do racial profile.

And why not ?

Anyway, they take your watches off you at Arrecife airport now.

I went through Aldergrove early 1974, so know a little about terrorism.

We are being conned !

Anyway, C4 was used by the 'old sweat's as a firelighter. Now I am talking about over 30 years ago.

So what is the BS about airport security ?

We are being led up the garden path !
I am certain that I read somewhere that it is against international air transport regulations to start a fire using plastic explosives anywhere on airport property. These regulations apply to all, despite racial profile or watch wearing. The garden path that you were being led up would most certainly have been taking you away from the airport terminal to a place more suitable for explosive burning (ie Scunthorpe).

There may have been exceptions to this at Aldergrove but now Messrs Adams & McGuinness have been reclassified as 'bl00dy nice blokes' that exception is probably revoked ... even sweaty old blokes from 30 years back.

Now that I've cleared that up, I can get back to fixing the crab apple bottling device fitted to my anti-trampling machine in the corking room.
 
#36
Old Explosive banded up to pallets for demolition purposes sounds like PDSC replaced with the new fangled under and over bridge charge system (ok so am an old bugger first used it in 93/94 with the RFD)

To get back to the origional thread title

Yep was a daft bugger who cooked with PE2, PE3A and PE4 (broken into small pieces) Det cord cut to 1 inch pieces

I can confirm that the old SLR makes a good cricket bat with a PE4 ball as long as you dont tell the RS what the ball is till after they joined in

Young, stupid and Soltau
 
#37
taffplod said:
I remember the Falklands incident a SSGT lost his hand, the seagulls flew off with all the fingers, but we regularly burnt PE4 at the end of a range day if we ran out of time.
Op Corprate 83, it happened outside the Quarry tent, I was welding up the crusher again that day so I was pretty close.
I posted it on the greatest fk up thread.

The Explosive they were using in the Quarry was ancient civvy $hit (60 strength Geli and probably ingressed with Seawater) and when the drilling teams went back in after the 1600hr blow they would go back to the quarry after 30 mins to see if there were any blinds.
Sure as $hit there would be some Geli lying around still smoldering.
New Shiney Staffy turns up and orders the lads to burn it ?
I wasn't in the same Sqn but I new the lads from previous postings, they told me in the brew tent that this stuff spits and cracks like fk when you put it anywhere near a naked flame.
I suggested giving it to the RN EOD and they would dump it at sea.
New Staffy turns up again, WTF hasn't this been $hit burnt?
Lance Jack explains problem, Staffy goes "Give it to me you Fakin Nobs" I heard that bit.
He offered up the exp and it exploded before he could even drop it in the drum.
After the casevac, their Badge come down and spoke to the lads.
It went along the lines of, "You all knew he was new to this WTF didn't you explain it to him?"
After the lads gave the Badge the SitRep, the Badge, as they do then said.
"Right you lot, your mission for the next hour is to find Staff Andropovs wedding ring"

edit: I cant believe $alt water come out as **** what sort of fkin filter is this :D
 
#38
Years later met up with said Irish SSGT he had one of those false hands that could grip things using muscle spasms from his arm, but wasnt very good at controling it ,as a keen snooker player in the mess he was always breaking cues with the grip getting out of control, and ferk me you did not want to shake his hand.
 

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