who really won the peace

#1
me and the lads were out for a few pints tonight
and the conversation turned around to who was the real victor of the second world war
i maintained that europe is faced with a huge shite sandwich that each country has to
eat a lump out of it
now the germans seem to be the driving force in making us errrant spendthrift naughty boys
open wide and bite deep
and live within our means...the bastards..
funny how a country, that within a human lifetime was a smouldering pile of rubble
is now the driving force steering the economic direction of 24 other nations
who was it said that to control a country you only have to hold the purse strings
has the master race achieved with its cheque book
what it couldnt do with its heer?
 
#2
I blame Margaret Thatcher for stealing the milk from children's mouths.
 
#4
I reckon you may be on to somezing. Zur Iron Bundeskkanzler, nicht warre?
 
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#5
me and the lads were out for a few pints tonight
and the conversation turned around to who was the real victor of the second world war
i maintained that europe is faced with a huge shite sandwich that each country has to
eat a lump out of it
now the germans seem to be the driving force in making us errrant spendthrift naughty boys
open wide and bite deep
and live within our means...the bastards..
funny how a country, that within a human lifetime was a smouldering pile of rubble
is now the driving force steering the economic direction of 24 other nations
who was it said that to control a country you only have to hold the purse strings
has the master race achieved with its cheque book
what it couldnt do with its heer?
I don't think that I could handle a night out with you and 'the wild bunch'. You're right out there on the edge.
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
#6
who was it said that to control a country you only have to hold the purse strings
has the master race achieved with its cheque book
what it couldnt do with its heer?
Now Germany has rebuilt its economy (and its armed forces) maybe it could invade Poland? That would give Germany a lot of living room to expand its industry...

Wordsmith
 
#7
You know what we really need is a man who can take charge and make this country as great as it once used to be. To rebuild our armed forces, kickstart our industry and take back and expand the commonwealth.

Kind of like Hitler, only without the moustache.

Sent from my brick using poo stained fingers
 
#8
In my line of work, the biggest risk indicator is previous history. So let's look at this in not so much depth as a shallow peak.
1914-18 Europe, Germany launches attack following diplomatic expansion
1939-45 ditto.
2011-12 germany expands its diplomatic authority over a small nation states that eats kebabs for breakfast, dinner and tea.
can you see where I'm going with this?
 
#9
I can tell you who lost, Britain, it went in to free Poland it came out STILL ocupied by Russia, 300,000 dead, bankrupt, it's global standing userpt by America, it's Empire lost, manufacturing on it's arse......need I go on.
 
#12
I have no room to talk , remember a conversation on a Saturday night not so long ago and the place is filled with decent fanny and me and another ex royal were talking about what would be our shore bombardment of choice ( Iowa class Yank Battleship for those interested, anyone ?) I have been a closet anorak for years if i'm honest .

Back on topic, from rubble to the rulers of Europe. For some reason the Hun were given squillions (10 kagillions) of finance and assistance to get their economy back on its feet as we are sticklers for fair play , while our economy was, to quote Lord Rothschild," In the ******* khazi for years" , probably because we were paying off the bloody yanks until recently.

Others will have a more technical explanation but i think that covers it ?
 
#13
Germans have learned the hard way about where failure to cooperate, compete and invest in the nation's future (not just financially, either) gets you. We're in the process or having that lesson taught to us.

Whether we'll learn from it is anyone's bet.
 
#14
In my line of work, the biggest risk indicator is previous history. So let's look at this in not so much depth as a shallow peak.
1914-18 Europe, Germany launches attack following diplomatic expansion
1939-45 ditto.
2011-12 germany expands its diplomatic authority over a small nation states that eats kebabs for breakfast, dinner and tea.
can you see where I'm going with this?
Are you hanging out your washing on the siegfried line?
 
#16
Germany have been applying protectionism for years and years....
 
#19
Germans have learned the hard way about where failure to cooperate, compete and invest in the nation's future (not just financially, either) gets you. We're in the process or having that lesson taught to us.

Whether we'll learn from it is anyone's bet.
Personally I have always thought that the Germans took that as read from pre Bismark times. The bastards just don't know when to stop.
What ever way this situation is read in 50 years German (for want of a better word) objectives will be seen as a significant contribution to this clusterfuck.
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
#20
Serious answer.

There were two big immediate winners from the Second World War:

-- America: whose home territory stayed largely untouched by war and who built up a manufacturing behemoth that dominated the post war free world.
-- Russia: who used her conquests in the east to set up an (largely unwilling) communist empire.

One of the biggest losers was Britain and her empire - whose decline was irreversibly accelerated by the demands of war. However, in standing alone against Nazi Germany in 1940/1941 Britain stopped a murderous political philosophy (Nazism) from taking over Europe - but at the expense of helping the rise of an equally murderous one (Stalinism).

Longer term winners were Germany and Japan who had their industries largely destroyed and who were able to start over from scratch. Over time this gave them a commercial advantage over their victors - who in many cases had antiquated industries they could not afford to replace.

Wordsmith
 

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