Who is the shooter?

#1
Who should be the shooter and who should be the observer in a Sniper Pair.?

I have always thought the more senior Sniper should be the obsever as he has the experence of the skills required for a succesful engagement, and can control his shooter, has anyone a diffrent perspective?
 
#3
Both shooter and spotter are cross trained and are both capable of taking the shot at a target and are both capable of being a spotter for the shooter, so its not really a good question to ask 'Who' when both people in the pair are capable of doing the same job.
 
#4
When me and my No.2, Cpl D. Blunkett, worked together, he just made the tea.
 
#6
"From watching Enemy at The Gates ... when the man with the gun gets killed the man following him picks up the gun."


WTF! what does that have to do with snipers? I know the film is based on a sniper but the main character ( IN THE FILM ! ) normally works in a pair where they are both armed, one with the scoped mosin - nagant and the other with a PPsh - 41. im talking about the russian army in world war 2 and not about modern day british snipers and MOD cutbacks.
 
#9
Is this an ARTY question? :roll:


:D :D
 
#10
cdt_l/cpl said:
"From watching Enemy at The Gates ... when the man with the gun gets killed the man following him picks up the gun."


WTF! what does that have to do with snipers? I know the film is based on a sniper but the main character ( IN THE FILM ! ) normally works in a pair where they are both armed, one with the scoped mosin - nagant and the other with a PPsh - 41. im talking about the russian army in world war 2 and not about modern day british snipers and MOD cutbacks.


Oh your a spotter aswell :D
 
#11
cdt_l/cpl said:
Both shooter and spotter are cross trained and are both capable of taking the shot at a target and are both capable of being a spotter for the shooter, so its not really a good question to ask 'Who' when both people in the pair are capable of doing the same job.
thanks for you wealth of knowledge l/cpl cadet but you may find the more senior and experencied will act as no2 giving him the control of the situation and enabaling him to give the troops there supporting up to date information and he will also have the responsibilitys of calling arty strikes etc etc .

ps. if ya want to seem cool don,t have a name like l/cpl cadet it sort of gives the game away
 
#12
US Army team there are three members...

Primary shooter is the ranking man (E-5 to E-7 depending on the unit and type of team, lower end in infantry scout platoons and upper end for SF types) and he usually has an M24.

Spotter is an E-4 to E-6 depending on the same conditions listed above who also has a system... could be a scoped M16A2 or an M21.

Security is usually a lower enlisted who carries an M203 and doubles as an RTO.

Yes, depending upon manning their are times when only two man teams conduct business but that third body is a hell of an assett to prevent a team from being compromised. Generally the shooter and spotter are both properly school qualified and the security usually has attended at least the 2 week familiarization/refresher offered at the Division level.
 
#14
What the fcuk is it with u people! All you seem to do is rip the sh*t out of the younger generation who are joining the Regs in a matter of months. Most of u are probaly Ex-Regs who are old wardogs and have beens and are extremely disgruntled and can find nothing better to do during the day than just hang around forums and post your hatred in a crazy number of threads! The reason why you people hate the younger generation is because they are more than likely to be taking your jobs in the future, and are going to replace you when the army sees fit to kick u out for being to old or you start to get back problems in ur old age and they deside to give u a medical discharge, only to replace you with a healthy teenager. Just fcuking grow up and accept that the world will be moving on and that YES one day your military careers will come to an end. SO FCUKING MOVE WITH THE TIMES OR PREPARE TO BE SHOVED ALONG WHICH WILL MAKE YOUR RETIREMENTS ALOT MORE UNPLEASANT! rant over! :x
 
#15
Khyros said:
US Army team there are three members...

Primary shooter is the ranking man (E-5 to E-7 depending on the unit and type of team, lower end in infantry scout platoons and upper end for SF types) and he usually has an M24.

Spotter is an E-4 to E-6 depending on the same conditions listed above who also has a system... could be a scoped M16A2 or an M21.

Security is usually a lower enlisted who carries an M203 and doubles as an RTO.

Yes, depending upon manning their are times when only two man teams conduct business but that third body is a hell of an assett to prevent a team from being compromised. Generally the shooter and spotter are both properly school qualified and the security usually has attended at least the 2 week familiarization/refresher offered at the Division level.

The 3 man team is something we have only tried on Ops, however we only had the oppertuinty to try this in the Urban.
How does it compare to Rural operations?
The third member worked very well, he was employed as an extra obsever in most cases and could also provide us with a little local protection, we found the more experenced the 3rd member was the more scope(excuse the pun) there was to employ him.
The fact that you have a Fam course for the 3rd member is a execlent, idear and something we could benifit from, i assume the 3rd team member then would go on to your course.

Do your dedicated teams swap jobs for experence or do they move up the ladder from sniper, to obsever?

im thinking we are lucky to find ourselves in a position where we have snipers of equal abilitys, so i believe we can mix and match, however, i would idealy like to keep pairs as they are as i believe they would improve their skills if they could concentrate on firing/ observing, which ever the case maybe.

Thoughts??
 
#16
cdt_l/cpl
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 3:08 pm Post subject: Re: Who is the shooter?
What the fcuk is it with u people! All you seem to do is rip the sh*t out of the younger generation who are joining the Regs in a matter of months. Most of u are probaly Ex-Regs who are old wardogs and have beens and are extremely disgruntled and can find nothing better to do during the day than just hang around forums and post your hatred in a crazy number of threads! The reason why you people hate the younger generation is because they are more than likely to be taking your jobs in the future, and are going to replace you when the army sees fit to kick u out for being to old or you start to get back problems in ur old age and they deside to give u a medical discharge, only to replace you with a healthy teenager. Just fcuking grow up and accept that the world will be moving on and that YES one day your military careers will come to an end. SO FCUKING MOVE WITH THE TIMES OR PREPARE TO BE SHOVED ALONG WHICH WILL MAKE YOUR RETIREMENTS ALOT MORE UNPLEASANT! rant over! Mad




people rip the shit out of you, you twat, cos you come on this thing chopsing off to people who have done it for real and base all knowledge on hollywood
 
#17
cdt_l/cpl said:
What the fcuk is it with u people! All you seem to do is rip the sh*t out of the younger generation who are joining the Regs in a matter of months. Most of u are probaly Ex-Regs who are old wardogs and have beens and are extremely disgruntled and can find nothing better to do during the day than just hang around forums and post your hatred in a crazy number of threads! The reason why you people hate the younger generation is because they are more than likely to be taking your jobs in the future, and are going to replace you when the army sees fit to kick u out for being to old or you start to get back problems in ur old age and they deside to give u a medical discharge, only to replace you with a healthy teenager. Just fcuking grow up and accept that the world will be moving on and that YES one day your military careers will come to an end. SO FCUKING MOVE WITH THE TIMES OR PREPARE TO BE SHOVED ALONG WHICH WILL MAKE YOUR RETIREMENTS ALOT MORE UNPLEASANT! rant over! :x

ah, just sussed that quote thing. see we can move with the times!
 
#18
L/Cpl nob jockey being neither old or near the end of my career, you are still a massive nobber and I hope you keep that attitude so you get ******* banged out when you rock up to your platoon you little cock sucker. Show some respect to people who were on the front gate when you were on cow and gate OK?
 

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#19
When I was in my youth ( and he didn't object) I was a sniper, but worked very much alone. That was just the way it was. A sniper was also a section member, of any rank who happened to be a better than average shot.
We were tasked by RHQ, or requested by any other formation,and off we went. As individuals. On a rare occasion there may be someone sent with us to act as spotter, and to carry the spare powder and ball. Ok, maybe I lied about that.
The weapon was issued to an individual and guarded like an ARRSE maidens virginity, but we carried a standard SLR too, when possible.

Soundsarchaic now, but it worked. Other regiments may have had different systems or op precdures, but I can' comment on that.
 
#20
Khyros said:
US Army team there are three members...

Primary shooter is the ranking man (E-5 to E-7 depending on the unit and type of team, lower end in infantry scout platoons and upper end for SF types) and he usually has an M24.

Spotter is an E-4 to E-6 depending on the same conditions listed above who also has a system... could be a scoped M16A2 or an M21.

Security is usually a lower enlisted who carries an M203 and doubles as an RTO.

Yes, depending upon manning their are times when only two man teams conduct business but that third body is a hell of an assett to prevent a team from being compromised. Generally the shooter and spotter are both properly school qualified and the security usually has attended at least the 2 week familiarization/refresher offered at the Division level.
Well in the film Jarhead they are in teams of two. I'm not saying you are wrong ... i'm just a bit disapointed that hollywood has lied to me. Also, in Jarhead, the "shooter" and "spotter" role is assigned to you with you being one or the other.
 

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