Who is guarding the guardians?

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by SLRboy, Mar 26, 2007.

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  1. Either a spoof, or a big fat Oooooooops is in the pipeline.

    Though as an organisational flowchart, it really is the clockweights. I'll be using that.
     
  2. My application form to MI5 is on hold. I am clearly far too fick to be a spy.
     
  3. Elaborate, syntactically groaning tosh - split infinitives and all.
     
  4. Dead right it is. It is of course a technical document. Even though anyone can read it, only those on a need to know basis who already know can understand it. However whether it can be understood or not what I think we have here is an explanation of the architecture of the matrix of information gathering that although ostensibly in place for the apprehension of terrorists may over see us all. The personal data on everyone now entering the US is placed on internal American data bases. A common sheriff in Arizona can know about your details because you once visited Disney Land Florida. This is like the Mormon family tree process writ large and without benign intent. Information is power.

    By the way Marco Polaroid I suppose you are a photographer. I once knew one who called himself F. Stop. Fitzgerald.
     
  5. Split infinitives are not a crime any more but more to the point it is the ethos behind this document that is the point. (Good spot SLRBoy.)

    If you have a mobile phone on, use a bank or credit card to buy anything, drive your car past a camera linked to a registration plate reader, they know where you've been and generally where you are and thanks to the war on terror that is all linked up.

    They may not know precisely where you are at any given moment but they can tell roughly where you are most of the time and they can certainly track any major movements. Is it justified? Good question. But it does make the concerns of those who oppose id cards for the general population look pretty pointless.

    Given that building access cards can be read without you taking them out of your wallets/pockets how long before there are readers capable of logging all those passing key points just from their bank/credit cards? Or do they have that already?
     
  6. Agreed. "Tosh" was intended as all-embracing, including "ethically objectionable tosh". Orwell imagined stuff like this. But if Unk Sam is going to set out elaborate structures and systems to invade all our privacy, he might have done it in less constipated, sclerotic terms.

    But I'm forgetting Kingman Brewster's famous "elements of refurbishing . . " Nothing new about clumsy verbiage, then.
     
  7. Seriously, are there any "security" type people to reassure us that they aren't all mongs with soft degrees on this site.
     

  8. They are if you work for this guy......Steve Wynn.

    Wynn's reputation is that of a man obsessed with details. Daniel R. Lee, who served as chief financial officer at Wynn's Mirage Resorts and who now runs casino operator Pinnacle Entertainment Inc. (PNK ), remembers Wynn criticizing what Lee thought had been a well-executed annual report. "He told me there was a split infinitive on page 23," recalls Lee, who immediately corrected the error at a cost of $9,000. After Lee told his boss, Wynn replied: "When you're close to perfect, why wouldn't you try for perfect?" Wynn declined to be interviewed
     
  9. Agreed but the query diagram is a bit wn@k. You ask a question and it gives you an answer. If we could specify "straight and truthful" as part of the concept specification we could incorporate it into the MO of our MP's.

    Now THAT we would be progress.
     
  10. I didn't even understand the document title
     
  11. On the subject of snooping, today's Daily Mail reckons the UK has 1% of the world's population but 20% of the world's CCTV cameras. Now, I am usually the Mail's most devoted and credulous reader but even I'm left thinking it can't be true...can it?
     
  12. The truly alarming thing is that even if CCTV cameras aren't nearly as numerous as this, there are those who'd like them to be. Or even moreso.

    One good reason for resisitng ID cards, IMO.
     
  13. Like me.
     
  14. That pdf was the classroom material. Here is a field report:

    Ordinary Customers Flagged as Terrorists

    By Ellen Nakashima
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Tuesday, March 27, 2007; D01



    Private businesses such as rental and mortgage companies and car dealers are checking the names of customers against a list of suspected terrorists and drug traffickers made publicly available by the Treasury Department, sometimes denying services to ordinary people whose names are similar to those on the list.

    The Office of Foreign Asset Control's list of "specially designated nationals" has long been used by banks and other financial institutions to block financial transactions of drug dealers and other criminals. But an executive order issued by President Bush after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks has expanded the list and its consequences in unforeseen ways. Businesses have used it to screen applicants for home and car loans, apartments and even exercise equipment, according to interviews and a report by the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights of the San Francisco Bay Area to be issued today.

    "The way in which the list is being used goes far beyond contexts in which it has a link to national security," said Shirin Sinnar, the report's author. "The government is effectively conscripting private businesses into the war on terrorism but doing so without making sure that businesses don't trample on individual rights."

    The lawyers' committee has documented at least a dozen cases in which U.S. customers have had transactions denied or delayed because their names were a partial match with a name on the list, which runs more than 250 pages and includes 3,300 groups and individuals. No more than a handful of people on the list, available online, are U.S. citizens.

    Yet anyone who does business with a person or group on the list risks penalties of up to $10 million and 10 to 30 years in prison, a powerful incentive for businesses to comply. The law's scope is so broad and guidance so limited that some businesses would rather deny a transaction than risk criminal penalties, the report finds.

    "The law is ridiculous," said Tom Hudson, a lawyer in Hanover, Md., who advises car dealers to use the list to avoid penalties. "It prohibits anyone from doing business with anyone who's on the list. It does not have a minimum dollar amount. . . . The local deli, if it sells a sandwich to someone whose name appears on the list, has violated the law."

    Molly Millerwise, a Treasury Department spokeswomen, acknowledged that there are "challenges" in complying with the rules but said that the department has extensive guidance on compliance, both on the OFAC Web site and in workshops with industry representatives. She also said most businesses can root out "false positives" on their own. If not, OFAC suggests contacting the firm that provided the screening software or calling an OFAC hotline.

    "So the company is not only sure that they are complying with the law," she said, "but they're also being good corporate citizens to make sure they're doing their part to protect the U.S. financial system from abuse by terrorists or [weapons] proliferators or drug traffickers."

    Tom Kubbany is neither a terrorist nor a drug trafficker, has average credit and has owned homes in the past, so the Northern California mental-health worker was baffled when his mortgage broker said lenders were not interested in him. Reviewing his loan file, he discovered something shocking. At the top of his credit report was an OFAC alert provided by credit bureau TransUnion that showed that his middle name, Hassan, is an alias for Ali Saddam Hussein, purportedly a "son of Saddam Hussein."

    The record is not clear on whether Ali Saddam Hussein was a Hussein offspring, but the OFAC list stated he was born in 1980 or 1983. Kubbany was born in Detroit in 1949.

    Under OFAC guidance, the date discrepancy signals a false match. Still, Kubbany said, the broker decided not to proceed. "She just talked with a bunch of lenders over the phone and they said, 'No,' " he said. "So we said, 'The heck with it. We'll just go somewhere else.' "

    Kubbany and his wife are applying for another loan, though he worries that the stigma lingers. "There's a dark cloud over us," he said. "We will never know if we had qualified for the mortgage last summer, then we might have been in a house now."

    Saad Ali Muhammad is an African American who was born in Chicago and converted to Islam in 1980. When he tried to buy a used car from a Chevrolet dealership three years ago, a salesman ran his credit report and at the top saw a reference to "OFAC search," followed by the names of terrorists including Osama bin Laden. The only apparent connection was the name Muhammad. The credit report, also by TransUnion, did not explain what OFAC was or what the credit report user should do with the information. Muhammad wrote to TransUnion and filed a complaint with a state human rights agency, but the alert remains on his report, Sinnar said.

    Colleen Tunney-Ryan, a TransUnion spokeswoman, said in an e-mail that clients using the firm's credit reports are solely responsible for any action required by federal law as a result of a potential match and that they must agree they will not take any adverse action against a consumer based solely on the report.

    The lawyers' committee documented other cases, including that of a couple in Phoenix who were about to close on their first home, only to be told the sale could not proceed because the husband's first and last names -- common Hispanic names -- matched an entry on the OFAC list. The entry did not include a date or place of birth, which could have helped distinguish the individuals.

    In another case, a Roseville, Calif., couple wanted to buy a treadmill from a home fitness store on a financing plan. A bank representative told the salesperson that because the husband's first name was Hussein, the couple would have to wait 72 hours while they were investigated. Though the couple eventually received the treadmill, they were so embarrassed by the incident they did not want their names in the report, Sinnar said.

    James Maclin, a vice president at Mid-America Apartment Communities in Memphis, which owns 39,000 apartment units in the Southeast, said the screening has become "industry standard" in the apartment rental business. It began about three years ago, he said, spurred by banks that wanted companies they worked with to comply with the law.

    David Cole, a Georgetown University law professor, has studied the list and at one point found only one U.S. citizen on it. "It sounds like overly cautious companies have started checking the list in situations where there's no obligation they do so and virtually no chance that anyone they deal with would actually be on the list," he said. "For all practical purposes, landlords do not need to check the list."

    Still, Neil Leverenz, chief executive of Automotive Compliance Center in Phoenix, a firm that helps auto dealers comply with federal law, said he spoke to the general manager of a Tucson dealership who tearfully told him that if he had known to check the OFAC list in late summer of 2001, he would not have sold the car used by Mohamed Atta, who went on to fly a plane into the World Trade Center.

    Staff researchers Bob Lyford and Richard Drezen contributed to this report.