Who is going on the 12 Jun?

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  1. In the frame and nervous or a volunteer waiting to hear?

    All the envelopes have been despatched from APC and are being held by Formation/Unit HQs.

    A week tommorow at 0900Z all will be revealed.

    Keep Smiling!
  2. Smashing.
  3. Looking for info really. There has been alot of talk about increased no's in certain trades and length of service and over subscription of volunteers. the rank and trade I am in hasn't changed does this mean that there wasn't an over subscription of volunteers for redundancy and I am more than likely get it.
  4. It is also said that fewer lotto tickets have ben sold for this Wednesday`s draw due to the long holiday weekend. I have been playing the same numbers by subscription since 1994 which have never won before. Does this mean I am more likely to win this time. Just asking for info, like what do you think, or should I wait & see what numbers get drawn on Wednesday.
  5. I am going, on holiday, at 0900z a week tomorrow I will be on a beach secure in the knowledge I still have a job and am 1 year closer to retiring with a nice big fat pension courtesy of the British tax payer :)
  6. Well those off on tour to the sandy beaches of Afghanistan are secure in the knowledge they have been exempted. However, as Deputy Chief Defence Staff Personnel & Training has pointed out, there are of course several tranches. Which means if they have missed anybody in particular on this occasion, they can always get them next time round.
  7. Just as well I can read the various DINs ABNs and directives otherwise I would have missed all that ^~

    Next time around would be great (no matter how unlikely) immediate pension in my final rank and a great big payout, win/win situation :)
  8. The Times newspaper today 07 June 2012. The article has stated from sources within the MOD ( so it must be true then. lol) that the Ghurkas have survived intact (both battalions survive). 4 British battalions are to go, 1 from Yorkshire Regt, 1 from Mercian Regt, 1 from Queens Div and from Scotland the A&SH are for the chop. The sources say that they are looking to avoid disbandment of the Argylls but that they will not survive as a regular battalion. 2 cavalry regiments are to go, they seem to think that QDG & Scots DG will merge and 9/12 Royal Lancers will merge with QRL. No mention of RTR. Reduction in Artillery and other suppoer arms but no mention of actual units.

    I still think that QDG should merge with 9/12L, they can keep their welsh cavalry "thing", both survived options for change unscathed, both are Armd Recce, both are in Germany and look at 9/12L? Full title is 9/12 Royal Lancers (Prince of Wales's)
    The centre piece of their cap badge is the POW feathers. Their motto is "Ich Dein" regimental quick march is "God bless the Prince of Wales, slow march is "men of harlech" my god! they are almost as Welsh as QDG, they just happen to recruit from Derbyshire & Leicestershire. Merge these two, call them "The Royal Welsh Cavalry" (Dragoon Guards & Royal Lancers). Job done.
  9. When will it be announced which regiments are being disbanded or amalgamated?
  10. According to Sky 16 June

    Defence Cuts: How The Army Will Be Overhauled

    11:54pm UK, Friday June 15, 2012
    Sam Kiley, defence and security editor
    Details of massive changes to the structure of the British Army have been obtained by Sky News, revealing an emphasis on armoured infantry amid continued controversy over cuts to Welsh, Irish and Scottish units.

    Under plans drawn up by Lieutenant General Nick Carter the regular Army will number 82,000 by 2020. Reserves will be expanded to 30,000.
    It will be split into Reaction Forces and an Adaptable Force.
    Reaction Forces will be made up of a division of three armoured brigades, each with a tank regiment and two armoured infantry regiments plus an airborne brigade.
    There is no question, of abandoning the regimental system. But that does not mean that we can avoid difficult decisions as the Army gets smaller.
    Defence Secretary Philip Hammond speaking to Sky News
    This division will be commanded by a major general and will be responsible for short-term interventions from instant deployment through to a larger dispatch of troops, which could take a year to prepare.
    One armoured battle group and a parachute battle group would be on standby for immediate dispatch to a global emergency.
    The airborne brigade and one mechanised brigade, armed with Warrior fighting vehicles, will be capable of deploying inside three months. Emergency missions would be backed by two regiments of Apache helicopters.

    Adaptable Forces will be made up of seven infantry brigades capable of providing troops for a long-term operation of several years. They will also provide the troops for on-going commitments to ceremonial duties, protecting the Falkland Islands, two battalions based in Cyprus, and one in Brunei.
    This division will depend heavily on reserves soldiers who will be grouped into battalions to shadow the regulars. During a long-term operation, General Carter believes that 30% of forces in the field would be reservists.
    Both parts of the Army will share resources from a new element called Force Troops And Logistics Support.
    This will include one artillery, an engineer, a surveillance, a medical, two signals and two logistics brigades - many of these made up of reserves.
    These reforms are expected to result in the cutting of five infantry battalions and two armoured regiments.
    Defence sources have told Sky News that the largely Welsh Queens Dragoon Guards and the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards are unlikely to be disbanded, which would put pressure on English cavalry regiments especially the Royal Tank Regiments.
    The Brigade of Guards, Parachute Regiment, and the Gurkhas are also to be spared the axe, sources have said, leaving many of the cuts likely to fall disproportionately on English regiments, especially the Yorkshires and the Mercians.
    Final decisions about where the cuts will fall have not been taken as Downing Street wrestles with the regional political fallout that would follow cutting famous Scottish regiments.
    The Ministry of Defence has gone ahead with cuts to its military and civilian workforce without a proper understanding of what skills it will need in the future.
    Margaret Hodge speaking about cuts to the MoD
    Alex Salmond, Scotland’s First Minister, has suggested that an independent Scotland might need its own army - cuts to Scots units, Westminster fears, would play into his hands.
    But Scottish regiments have sometimes struggled to meet recruitment targets and bulked up their numbers with soldiers from the commonwealth, especially Fiji and South Africa.
    There is also likely to be some criticism that the Army 2020 proposals have not been radical enough.
    Some senior officers favoured a more expeditionary role for the Army closely modelled on the US Marine Corps. This would have put the emphasis on quickly deployable brigades rather than the heavy mechanised infantry that form the backbone of the Carter plan.

  11. ugly

    ugly LE Moderator

    Nothing confirmed yet!
  12. The Official Sky News announcement of their decisions concerning the future of the army will be passed to Hammond, who will be sent to parliament to confirm it for them on Monday. Happy now.
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  13. Head of Army Manning said: “The Army will select a mixture of personnel for redundancy that preserves, across all cap badges, ranks and trades, the right balance of experience, skill and potential to ensure the Army is able to maintain its operational commitments and to continue its outstanding service in the future.”

    Yeah whatever!!
  14. The Independant's view

    Revealed: plan to split Army into two forces
    Structural reforms will include expanding special operations, reports Kim Sengupta

    The British Army is to undergo drastic structural reforms in the face of budget cuts and the changing face of conflict. Plans being drawn up will see the force split in two, with greater emphasis placed on undercover special operations, intelligence, surveillance and cyber warfare, The Independent has learned.

    A blueprint entitled Army 2020 has been drawn up by Lieutenant General Nick Carter, who has been tasked with the Army's reorganisation while overall numbers are cut by a fifth. It recommends the separation of "Reaction" and "Adaptable" forces, enabling the UK to respond in an emergency while also preparing for longer-term deployment.

    In addition to the Carter plan, senior officers – including, it is believed, General Sir David Richards, the head of the military – want to expand the type of combat carried out by the SAS and the SBS as well as Istar (Intelligence Surveillance Target Acquisition and Reconnaissance). They also want to focus on cyber security, which they argue is vital for a "lighter, more agile" type of combat.

    Although the scheme will take time to come to fruition, the plans have been heavily influenced by the events of the Arab Spring, the confrontation over Iran's nuclear arsenal and the possibility of an Israeli attack as well as lessons learned from Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. Senior officers are urging caution over British involvement in Syria and only basic contingency plans have been made for such an operation. There is, however, much more planning for the aftermath of a possible Israeli strike on Iran.

    One idea that will be considered in expanding special operations is the enlargement of the role of the Special Forces Support Group (SFSG), which is based around members of the 1st Battalion Parachute Regiment and augmented by troops from the Royal Marines and the RAF Regiment. The Group, which backs up the SAS and SBS, may be opened up to recruitment from a wider array of regiments. The proposals will also include expected reductions of five infantry battalions and two armoured regiments, although no regimental cap badges will be lost. The final details have not yet been finalised but, according to defence sources, the Parachute Regiment and the brigades of Guards and Gurkhas will largely escape the cuts. However, Gurkha recruits who joined reinforcement companies – set up to make up a shortfall – will face redundancy.

    Two Scottish battalions are set to be axed, but Downing Street is said to be delaying signing this off because it does not want to provide a propaganda boost to Alex Salmond and the SNP with a referendum on independence on the horizon. English regiments, the Yorkshires and the Mercians, and the Royal Tank Regiments are believed to be vulnerable to losing soldiers.

    The "Reaction" force, according to confidential documents, will be comprised of three armoured brigades, each with a tank regiment, two infantry regiments and an airborne brigade, commanded by a major general and armed with two regiments of Apache helicopter gunships and Warrior fighting vehicles. One armoured and one airborne battle group will be on standby.

    The "Adaptable" force will consist of seven infantry brigades able to deploy for two to three years while maintaining a permanent presence in the Falklands and Cyprus. The days of 13-year commitments – which the Afghan mission will come to by the time it ends – are over, it is felt. "Not only would something like that be logistically impossible in the future, but would show a failure of strategy," said one senior officer.

    No less than 30 per cent of the "Adaptable" force is meant to be made up of reservists who will "shadow" regular soldiers in exercises in preparation.

  15. Sorry, although at face value an almost believable statement, there is a lot factually wrong.

    Take the trollop about SFSG for instance. The work done by SFSG was going on long before the unit was formed, it has merely been formalised and they have been 'all arms' for a long time rather than unit specific recruiting.

    This whole thing is just the way warfare is turning with the 'shadow' elements of it, its called asymmetrical warfare and has been a constantly evolving thing, what with threat more coming from groups rather than regimes.
    We have been working this way since the late 60's although today, there is more need on the 'cyberspace' aspect of intelligence in addition to the threat of 'cyber' as a means of attack and defence.

    With the growing use of 'insurgency' and the problems that occupation entail, the traditional 'battle lines' have all but gone. This would make a strong case for the secret squirrel type of operations to collate intelligence and only the use of small strike forces to react to given situations rather than a full blown occupation force. The traditionalist 'enemy' of one nation pitted against another has almost long gone but one needs to take into account that this is only the current climate.

    If nations were to evolve their militaries into what would be effectively a global 'special branch' how are we going to cope should a full blown multinational conflict take place?

    Dont forget that all the recent major conflicts have had large elements of civil war, Iraq and Afghanistan included. Just look at Lybia and Syria et al now.

    God help us should the Russians, Chinese or even the N. Koreans or Iranians kick off, where with the divisions come from to deal with it or shall we just send them a few strongly worded e-mails?

    We need to adapt and lessons do need to be learned in how to deal with the current climate, which are being learned, I just hope that capability is not removed at the expense of adaptability and vice versa.