Who gives a flying f*** about the Nats?

#1
The Scots Nats, the Welsh Nats, et al have their tits in an uproar because no one other than their own deluded followers believe anyone other than themselves is interested in what they think. What do you think? Should 50 million english voters care? More importantly should the english pay for their vapourings?
 
#2
This baffled me as well. I thought it was only BNP sorry SNP twat who was moaning. They can't have it both ways.

Tell them they can have a spot, so long as they pay there own state benefits bill, should shut them up :)
 
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#3
shagnasty said:
The Scots Nats, the Welsh Nats, et al have their tits in an uproar because no one other than their own deluded followers believe anyone other than themselves is interested in what they think. What do you think? Should 50 million english voters care? More importantly should the english pay for their vapourings?
I see that there still exists a "us and them"mentality within the United Kingdom then.
Funny how this mentality does not exist in Britain's Military!
 
#4
I think if the Scots, Welsh & N.Irish can (to a certain extent) determine their own domestic policies through their respective parliaments then fair dos, as long as all foreign, defence and major issues are decided in Westminster.

But this being the case, how on earth do this government get away with not devolving an English parliament, and furthermore allowing Scots, Welsh & N.Irish MPs to vote on issues that only affect England?
 
#5
There own "deluded" followers currently represent the electoral majority in their own countries, and who lead the Assemblies with the powers devolved to them.

You, as a representative of the deluded English, have voted in One Eye or Blair for the last 13 years - who is more deluded?

I think if leveller's point was taken up, those deluded Nats would suggest that if that was to be the way of it, then good news, devolve more powers to us and then watch what happens thereafter...
 
#6
in_the_cheapseats said:
You, as a representative of the deluded English, have voted in One Eye or Blair for the last 13 years - who is more deluded?
It is my understanding that in England the Tories have always had a majority?
 
#7
What annoys me is that these people have a say in ENGLISH parliament - if they want to rule their opwn lil country, then piss off out of Westminster. Damn, hang on they cant or labour would collapse.
 
#8
red_devil said:
What annoys me is that these people have a say in ENGLISH parliament - if they want to rule their opwn lil country, then piss off out of Westminster. Damn, hang on they cant or labour would collapse.
I believe that SNP policy is that their Westminster MPs do not vote on purely English matters.

C_C
 
#9
Charm_City said:
red_devil said:
What annoys me is that these people have a say in ENGLISH parliament - if they want to rule their opwn lil country, then piss off out of Westminster. Damn, hang on they cant or labour would collapse.
I believe that SNP policy is that their Westminster MPs do not vote on purely English matters.

C_C
But the Labour ones can & do!
 
#10
ALVIN said:
shagnasty said:
The Scots Nats, the Welsh Nats, et al have their tits in an uproar because no one other than their own deluded followers believe anyone other than themselves is interested in what they think. What do you think? Should 50 million english voters care? More importantly should the english pay for their vapourings?
I see that there still exists a "us and them"mentality within the United Kingdom then.
Funny how this mentality does not exist in Britain's Military!
Oh! but it does. Who can forget "The Poison Dwarfs" of Germany in the '50/60's. For those whose history is patchy: this refers to the wee Scottie ankle biters of the British Army who regularly battered the livinin jesus oot of the local Hermanns...during and after WW2...Guid fechters bi God!

However feck all to do with today's leeches on the english body.
 
#11
red_devil said:
What annoys me is that these people have a say in ENGLISH parliament - if they want to rule their opwn lil country, then piss off out of Westminster. Damn, hang on they cant or labour would collapse.
Firstly, until such time as full independence is granted Westminster is NOT an English Parliament

It's piss poor knowledge, leading to such ignorant spoutings, which tend to fuck off folks in Wales, Scotland and Nth. Ireland and lead to the establishment of Nationalist Parties.

Secondly, the population in Scotland is second only to London, in their per-capita contributions to the UK purse.................and that does not include oil revenues.

Thirdly, be aware that in the event of full Scottish Independence, it is the clear intention of the SNP to get rid of Trident, get rid of Nuclear Dumping sites existing or proposed, in Scotland and also to take over the collection of the oil revenues.

So - in conclusion, you (the English) would be paying for Trident on your own, storing your own nuclear waste (and paying for it) and all without the
revenue from oil and other taxation currently contributed by Scots.

Still sound like Nirvana to you does it?
 
#12
blonde_guy said:
Charm_City said:
red_devil said:
What annoys me is that these people have a say in ENGLISH parliament - if they want to rule their opwn lil country, then piss off out of Westminster. Damn, hang on they cant or labour would collapse.
I believe that SNP policy is that their Westminster MPs do not vote on purely English matters.

C_C
But the Labour ones can & do!
Which is one reason why Labour will never allow devolution. As someone pointed out, unless they are counted, the Tories hold the majority in a English only counted House of Parliament.
 
#13
Rafair7643 said:
red_devil said:
What annoys me is that these people have a say in ENGLISH parliament - if they want to rule their opwn lil country, then piss off out of Westminster. Damn, hang on they cant or labour would collapse.
Firstly, until such time as full independence is granted Westminster is NOT an English Parliament

It's piss poor knowledge, leading to such ignorant spoutings, which tend to fuck off folks in Wales, Scotland and Nth. Ireland and lead to the establishment of Nationalist Parties.

Secondly, the population in Scotland is second only to London, in their per-capita contributions to the UK purse.................and that does not include oil revenues.

Thirdly, be aware that in the event of full Scottish Independence, it is the clear intention of the SNP to get rid of Trident, get rid of Nuclear Dumping sites existing or proposed, in Scotland and also to take over the collection of the oil revenues.

So - in conclusion, you (the English) would be paying for Trident on your own, storing your own nuclear waste (and paying for it) and all without the
revenue from oil and other taxation currently contributed by Scots.

Still sound like Nirvana to you does it?
Take Gordon & all of his Scottish acolytes back and we'll call it a fair swap
 
#14
shagnasty said:
Take Gordon & all of his Scottish acolytes back and we'll call it a fair swap
Really? So they'd be paying taxation to the Scottish Government on the pensions funded by the English people.

I like your idea of fair.
 
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And on a side note as I´m totally out of the loop on devolution,the Taffs don´t have oil but they hold the reservoirs for the water for the Midlands,I wonder how much renenue they could get If they decide to sell it?

Splitting up the UK can only weaken the country as a whole though I must admit the thought of getting rid of the Boggies in NI could compensate for Midlandistan´s dying of thirst and smelling even worse(If that´s possible!)than It does now;)
 
#16
Devolution and splitting up the UK are completely different.

It is only right that the English be given their own parliament, or that laws should ban non English MPs from voting on English matters.
 
#17
Rafair7643 said:
shagnasty said:
Take Gordon & all of his Scottish acolytes back and we'll call it a fair swap
Really? So they'd be paying taxation to the Scottish Government on the pensions funded by the English people.

I like your idea of fair.
Rafair my old mucker we are one. You want independence and we want rid of you. There is no problem. You vote for independence and I'll back you 100%. Vote for SNP and get your referendum. The sooner we get you and the rest of the celts off our backs the better.
 
#18
blonde_guy said:
Devolution and splitting up the UK are completely different.

It is only right that the English be given their own parliament, or that laws should ban non English MPs from voting on English matters.

If these matters include where they bury British/English nuclear waste then maybe the Scots would like to have a say in the debate,It´s not as black and white as you would like your little enclave called England to be.
 
#19
shagnasty said:
Rafair my old mucker we are one. You want independence and we want rid of you. There is no problem. You vote for independence and I'll back you 100%. Vote for SNP and get your referendum. The sooner we get you and the rest of the celts off our backs the better.
Even though you (the country of England) will have larger committments to fund Trident et al, smaller income from taxation and oil revenues.

You still reckon that's a good deal for England?
 
#20
blonde_guy said:
Devolution and splitting up the UK are completely different.

It is only right that the English be given their own parliament, or that laws should ban non English MPs from voting on English matters.
The flip side is that the people of Scotland have elected their own Government and yet still matters important to Scotland are decided in Westminster, by English MPs.

List of matters outwith the remit of the Scottish Government;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserved_and_excepted_matters
 

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