Who else uses British DPM and what decent kit do they have?

#1
Someone already mentioned the Canadian para smock.

I know the Dutch use our DPM and that their Patrol sacks are fairly good and their ops vests are similar to ours. Still unsure about the goretex lined Parka or quilted Goretex tank suit.

The Portugese use DPM as well but I dont know what their kit is like.

The Kiwis use it too Swandri jackets being one item I want to try out along with large DPM ALICE packs. I looked on Kiwi Surplus web site and their combat jackets look like our old 1980's pattern, are they?

I once passed on an Omani windproof smock which was similar to ours because the colours were not quite right but the cloth and quality was very fine indeed. Their was an Omani medium DPM ALICE pack as well.

What other foreign DPM kit is available that might be worth taking a look at?

Cardinal
 
#4
Oman use DPM inc windproof smocks colours are a bit different but looks quite smart,

and a list of other users i (also used by Algeria, Canada, Egypt, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Kenya, Malaysia, Mozambique, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Pakistan, The Philippines, Portugal, Romania, Sierra Leone, Tanzania, Uganda)
# Desert DPM (also used by Iraq, Kuwait, Oman, Romania, Saudi Arabia)
# Four-Colour Desert DPM (also used by Iraq)
 
#6
wessex_warrior said:
just go G10 for men. It's free!!
nicely put, actually never heard that one before
 
#7
Cardinal said:
The Kiwis use it too Swandri jackets being one item I want to try out along with large DPM ALICE packs. I looked on Kiwi Surplus web site and their combat jackets look like our old 1980's pattern, are they?
Cardinal
the swannies are excellent, beg, borrow or steal one asap, and no you cant have mine :p
the '80s' patten Kiwi DPM was a cheap home grown copy of the Brit DPM stuff of the time, not as good in quality either, avoid.
the later made stuff that appeared in '90 and still used today, 'lightweight DPM' is good stuff, colours are a bit more 'yellow' and brighter than brit DPM.
the kiwi DPM alice packs are large size and made in korea.
they were forever splitting seams and falling apart, and apart from the shite quality they are known as 'kidney killers'.......... not a patch on a decent made bergen.
NZ webbing until PLCE was adapted a while ago was also cheap korean rubbish that fell apart in the field, a lot of us held onto the older septic made alice webbing with 58 patten pouches stuck on to fit the steyer mags.
when i was a kid and first started off in the NZTF (TA) we wernt allowed to wear DPM like the regs and had to use jungle green lightweights................... absolutely brill at tekapo camp up the mountains in the snow. :roll:
 
#8
Believe it or not, DPM is also widely used in Russia.

There are probably about 50 Commonwealth countries using DPM, plus Indonesia.
 

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#9
I've posted this before but on ex with some US Rangers in Wales their cam (e.g. US Army BDU's) were better than the brit DPM. As we patrolled along I, at point, turned and could see soldiers spread out in 10m gaps but the 3rd soldier was missing, I had to look again to ping the ranger in 3rd position. Pretty impressed. Though their BDU's vs our smocks aren't in the same league.

I understand our DPM is to be replaced by something stunningly clever in the next 5 years or so, or is that a walt rumour?
 
#10
No your right peco or something intergrated combat clothing system though
think its more than 5 years away .Super kit for fighting something cheap though smart for barrack wear or thats the plan.
 
#12
Mr Happy said:
I've posted this before but on ex with some US Rangers in Wales their cam (e.g. US Army BDU's) were better than the brit DPM. As we patrolled along I, at point, turned and could see soldiers spread out in 10m gaps but the 3rd soldier was missing, I had to look again to ping the ranger in 3rd position. Pretty impressed. Though their BDU's vs our smocks aren't in the same league.

I understand our DPM is to be replaced by something stunningly clever in the next 5 years or so, or is that a walt rumour?
There's much muttering about a digitized DPM replacement, but to borrow a phrase from a very dead fellow, 'You can have my smock when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers... arrrrrhhhhgh!'.
 
#13
Why would you want an ALICE pack? Anyone I know who's ever tried PLCE thinks it's far superior, myself included. Very uncomfortable piece of kit. Speaking of which, does anyone still supply US pattern bergens? I know Drop Zone used to.
 
#14
I like ALICE medium packs similar size to a patrol sack 35-45 litres. Believe it or not although I like my PLCE inf bergen its not very comfortable. The right strap cuts off the circulation to my arm which goes numb afer five minutes or so and totally useless after an hour (not my left just the right)
I never had that problem with the old SAS/Para bergen, the Berghaus Roc or the Berghaus Crusader.

Cardinal
 
#15
"Believe it or not, DPM is also widely used in Russia"

Yes, used by two ways, as "Gucci" kit in some SF army and police units:

1. Russian made copy (instead of "DPM" this shade in Russia is named "smock", because russian weawers don't know english, they decided what the word "smock" in the label of the original UK smock mean shade of camouflage :D )
2. Original UK made 84, 94 and 95 patterns, privately purchased in the second hand shops.
 
#16
The GIGN in France uses British made DPM for green ops, both tropicals and smocks. The GIGN HALO teams are also known to use german Flecktarn.

The Commando Marine (French Navy SF) also use some SAS smocks in DPM.
 
#17
Mr Happy said:
I've posted this before but on ex with some US Rangers in Wales their cam (e.g. US Army BDU's) were better than the brit DPM. As we patrolled along I, at point, turned and could see soldiers spread out in 10m gaps but the 3rd soldier was missing, I had to look again to ping the ranger in 3rd position. Pretty impressed. Though their BDU's vs our smocks aren't in the same league.

I understand our DPM is to be replaced by something stunningly clever in the next 5 years or so, or is that a walt rumour?
Strange, I've heard US soldiers say the opposite when there were a couple of us in DPM. Maybe its just the surrondings we were in (evergreen woodland) or maybe its because your eyes get used top looking at a certain pattern and the brain just misses one thats a bit different?
 
#18
Thanks Fantassin, confirms something I once saw. A large Dutch surplus company had a number of Windproof type smocks in DPM different from anything the British use and they were French surplus but I couldn't understand why the French would have them.

Cardinal
 
#19
Cardinal said:
Thanks Fantassin, confirms something I once saw. A large Dutch surplus company had a number of Windproof type smocks in DPM different from anything the British use and they were French surplus but I couldn't understand why the French would have them.

Cardinal
You are welcome.

AFAIK, the DPM used by GIGN and the Navy SF are British made. I know some guys buy them from a shop in Paris which retails Brit companies such as SASS and Arktis.

I really don't think those two units use French made DPM as even the SAS Smock in French CE camo used by the Army SF and the ABN Bgde HALO teams are made in the UK.
 
#20
Someone in France makes them or at least did. The smocks I saw were similar to our windproof but the hood rolled into the collar. The large buttons of the collar were black and the labels inside in French.

The DPM pattern was very slightly differnt to ours as there were slight white lines near some, but not all, of the black print, smaller but rather like that of the belgian camoflage uniform.

Cardinal
 

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