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Who dumped the LAW in a rubbish tip?

#1
From the article, it seems either the Singapore Army , the US army or the US marines. My bet is on the Marines or the US army because IME if a Singapore soldier did that, the government would mobilize an entire Brigade or more to search for the weapon. :lol:

The type of single-use "fire-and-forget" rocket launcher found in a central Queensland town tip and handed into police this morning is used by two overseas defence forces that recently underwent live-fire exercises at a nearby army training area.

The Department of Defence's acting director-general of communications, Colonel Pup Elliott, told smh.com.au the weapon was not Australian Defence Force ordnance.

"I can tell you from the photo straight away it's not one of ours, it's not one of the weapons we use in our inventory."

It is believed the weapon came from the Shoalwater military training area, a short distance from the town of Yeppoon, near Rockhampton, where the tip was located.

Colonel Elliott said the weapon could be traced to an overseas force that recently used the training area.

"We've certainly had soldiers from Singapore, we've had US Marines and [US Army] and I think they all have it in their inventory.

"So we're just going to have ask who had it, and how they accounted for it."

The Matador anti-armour rocket launcher is a 90mm single-use weapon designed by the Singaporean army.

The launcher - already fired and therefore not an immediate threat - was found at a recycling centre attached to a tip at Yeppoon by local man James Maloney.

He told local paper The Morning Bulletin he had paid $2 for it.

"I work in the local theatre restaurant and wanted to use it as a stage prop," he said.

However, when he read a story in a local paper about the army misplacing rocket launchers - based on a story in the Herald - he decided to hand the weapon over.

He gave the weapon to a reporter from The Morning Bulletin who, after contacting the Department of Defence and being told the weapon was not dangerous, kept it for a number of days to photograph it and write a story.

This led to a period of confusion when local police, contacted by Defence, were unable to establish the whereabouts of the weapon.

"The police rang me earlier this evening and they told me they didn't know where it was so I redirected them back to the reporter," Mr Maloney said earlier this week, adding that the last time he saw the weapon was in the back seat of the reporter's car.

The reporter handed it into Yeppoon police station this morning at 8.30am local time (9.30am AEST)...continued
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/2-rocket-launcher-found/2007/01/03/1167777123211.html
 
#3
So it is a tube then?

Given by the wiki insert


Matador.

see more at the wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATADOR_(weapon)

Apparently good at anti armour and brickwork.

Anyone remember the 66 found on a amnisty in some cop shop?
 
#6
Rather hard to misplace one of these as they are not exactly small. The old 66 was easy to 'misplace': once got back into my pit from a live firing exercise in Redesdale where we'd had the rare luxury of more 66s than we knew what to do with.

Unpacking my bergan and against the back was an unfired 66. Was tempted to keep the bugger should I ever need to rob a bank but didn't have the balls. The CSM gave me a rather energetic chat when I handed it in to the armoury.

IIRC the 66 handed into the plod had already been fired and so was inert.
 
#7
ugly said:
So is it illegal to dump an empty tube in a municipal tip?
Its not about legality imo though I think the media likes to sensationalize about the dangers of an empty metal tube with an optical sight. To be fair, the police did say it is not dangerous.

I think the more pressing issue is about accountability. If this was not found, how did the relevant army explain away the loss of the weapon? Without the expended munition, it would be difficult to prove that the weapon has been used, rather than sold to gangs.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#8
An empty tube is just that an empty tube! FFS if its not serial numbered then not only is it not accountable stoores thhen its also exempt a free from explosives certificate. disposal is a non issue! If it is serial numbered then tracing its last owners wouldnt take the brains of an archbishop now would it?
Would painting a drainpipe green make it dangerous? Fecking stupid journo tossers!
 
#9
chocolate_frog said:
So it is a tube then?

Given by the wiki insert


Matador.

see more at the wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATADOR_(weapon)

Apparently good at anti armour and brickwork.

Anyone remember the 66 found on a amnisty in some cop shop?
Watched the video.
General idea seems good although some of the marketing video wasn't too convincing. It seems unlikely to me that it would demolish that sandbag emplacement unless there was a pile of explosives inside. The brick wall didn't seem to have any mortar in its construction.

Still, looks compact and handy, I like the mechanical initiation, folding pistol grip and pull out "prong" as a selector. Simple and straightforward.

Edited to add:

Of course if we were to purchase it we would have to have it extensively and expensively modified to give reduced performance at greatly increased cost. You heard it here first!
 

maninblack

LE
Book Reviewer
#10
"I have no live rounds, empty cases or long drainpipe like things that scare journalists in my possession, Sir............except this green 3 foot pipe that nobody saw me walk off with."

Strange things happen, I suppose.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#12
Scabster_Mooch said:
ugly said:
So is it illegal to dump an empty tube in a municipal tip?
Its not about legality imo though I think the media likes to sensationalize about the dangers of an empty metal tube with an optical sight. To be fair, the police did say it is not dangerous.

I think the more pressing issue is about accountability. If this was not found, how did the relevant army explain away the loss of the weapon? Without the expended munition, it would be difficult to prove that the weapon has been used, rather than sold to gangs.
What weapon its just a tube FFS!
In fact I have more reallistic looking things on my office floor, not to mention the shelves and they are/were subject to FFE cert or are resin inerts!
 
#13
Forks said:
It's no longer a weapon once fired, I know some guy who bought a LAW quite legally.
As hazardous as any other bit of metal or plastic tube, but why let mundane facts get in the way of a sensational story?

"Army Loses Rocket Launcher; Scoop" will sell more papers than "Plastic Junk Found on Rubbish Dump".

I recall there was live 66mm left on a UK range, apparently after it had misfired, sometime in the late '70s. A civvy picked it up and was killed when it went off or he fired it.

chocolate_frog said:
Anyone remember the 66 found on a amnisty in some cop shop?
The plods do it, too, with de-activated AKs and fired 66mms, to get a soundbite in the worthless rags. It gives the gullible public the impression that they are taking dangerous weapons from bad men, when they're just work-dodging useless cnuts, collecting scrap handed in by people.
 
#14
Onetap said:
Forks said:
It's no longer a weapon once fired, I know some guy who bought a LAW quite legally.
As hazardous as any other bit of metal or plastic tube, but why let mundane facts get in the way of a sensational story?

"Army Loses Rocket Launcher; Scoop" will sell more papers than "Plastic Junk Found on Rubbish Dump".

I recall there was live 66mm left on a UK range, apparently after it had misfired, sometime in the late '70s. A civvy picked it up and was killed when it went off or he fired it.
Not getting confused with the story from the 1980s of someone in a certain midlands based unit selling some he'd nicked? We Flog Rockets rings a bell...
 
#17
EX_STAB said:
Onetap said:
Forks said:
It's no longer a weapon once fired, I know some guy who bought a LAW quite legally.
As hazardous as any other bit of metal or plastic tube, but why let mundane facts get in the way of a sensational story?

"Army Loses Rocket Launcher; Scoop" will sell more papers than "Plastic Junk Found on Rubbish Dump".

I recall there was live 66mm left on a UK range, apparently after it had misfired, sometime in the late '70s. A civvy picked it up and was killed when it went off or he fired it.
Not getting confused with the story from the 1980s of someone in a certain midlands based unit selling some he'd nicked? We Flog Rockets rings a bell...
Possibly, but I don't think so. I don't recall an incident involving any being sold.

I think this one had been parked in a firing trench when it had failed to fire and had then been forgotten at end-ex. I don't recall it being reported in the UK press, so it may have happened abroad. I'd thought it was somewhere around Aldershot.

I read about it on the accident reports the MoD used to (& maybe still do) circulate. Some of them were like the Darwin or Stella awards. The other memorable ones involved;

the 4 drawer filing cabinet hazard. Lazy remfy clerk loads the filing cabinet from the top down to save bending over and suffers leg injuries when he pulls out the top drawer & it topples over and crushes him.

the rupert who ordered some fool to stand with a mess tin on his head, so he could shoot it off, like William Tell, with a .22. (what happened next?)

the exploding saucepan, 4-pint. Or was it 6 pint? Tight lid wedged on, water boils, steam pressure builds up, lid goes bang & takes out half the Catering Corps.
 
#18
Onetap said:
EX_STAB said:
Onetap said:
Forks said:
It's no longer a weapon once fired, I know some guy who bought a LAW quite legally.
As hazardous as any other bit of metal or plastic tube, but why let mundane facts get in the way of a sensational story?

"Army Loses Rocket Launcher; Scoop" will sell more papers than "Plastic Junk Found on Rubbish Dump".

I recall there was live 66mm left on a UK range, apparently after it had misfired, sometime in the late '70s. A civvy picked it up and was killed when it went off or he fired it.
Not getting confused with the story from the 1980s of someone in a certain midlands based unit selling some he'd nicked? We Flog Rockets rings a bell...
Possibly, but I don't think so. I don't recall an incident involving any being sold.

I think this one had been parked in a firing trench when it had failed to fire and had then been forgotten at end-ex. I don't recall it being reported in the UK press, so it may have happened abroad. I'd thought it was somewhere around Aldershot.

I read about it on the accident reports the MoD used to (& maybe still do) circulate. Some of them were like the Darwin or Stella awards. The other memorable ones involved;

the 4 drawer filing cabinet hazard. Lazy remfy clerk loads the filing cabinet from the top down to save bending over and suffers leg injuries when he pulls out the top drawer & it topples over and crushes him.

the rupert who ordered some fool to stand with a mess tin on his head, so he could shoot it off, like William Tell, with a .22. (what happened next?)

the exploding saucepan, 4-pint. Or was it 6 pint? Tight lid wedged on, water boils, steam pressure builds up, lid goes bang & takes out half the Catering Corps.
No doubt it was a different story.

Am I wrong though in remembering a story doing the rounds in the late 80s that suggested that WFR stood for We Flog Rockets?
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#19
I dont know but one great plan hatched in the bar involved an impromptu fireworks display with the store of 66's till the lead instigator fell in one of those mud pits left where the BV's had forded the streams!
 

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