Who do we treat and who pays for it?

#1
People are people, there is not a lot you can do about that. You can of course put your point of view?

I watched the BBC News this afternoon, it highlighted an African lady who needs medical treatment, (Diebeties), who because she is illegal, is being deported from where she came. What an uproar, caus eshe can't afford the treatment in her country of birth.

Do I have a problem with that? The answer is absolutely yes. I'l tell you why.
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My Father who is reaching 75, is terminal with the big 'C'. Having worked since he was 14, he has recently received Chemo and now has some Radio Therapy planned.

The reality is that there is a drug, which has not been approved by NICE, which in effect he has to beg for. Apparently, there are too many unexpected drains on the NHS budget, which can detract from treatment.

Given that he has payed into the system for his entire working life, why the fcuk should people get that treatment for free, when they have never paid into the pool. Not a single penny. I am sure we are not the only people in this trap.

It's Arrse.
 
#2
NHS should give emergency treatment to stabilise those who are not British (or at least legally resident) and then FCUK them off home as soon as possible. No non-emergency treatment should be given. The NHS is not a free service!
 
#3
Are you aware of the irony in contrasting your signature with your proposition that we withdraw medical treatment form large numbers of people?

I have no particular axe to grind as me and mine have private healthcare, but I'd have thought the biggest drain on the NHS was those predominantly local boys and girls who cause chronic illness in themselves through gluttony, idleness and an inability to say, "No, thanks". Maybe gripping the fat, drunken, diabetes suffering chavs might have released enough funds for your dad's drug? There's far more of them, for a start.
 
#4
Do you happen to know why the drug has not been approved by NICE? A man of his age, in poor health already might end up even worse by using it. God forbid, but if all the side effects arn't know then maybe that is why.
 
#5
smartascarrots said:
Are you aware of the irony in contrasting your signature with your proposition that we withdraw medical treatment form large numbers of people?

I have no particular axe to grind as me and mine have private healthcare, but I'd have thought the biggest drain on the NHS was those predominantly local boys and girls who cause chronic illness in themselves through gluttony, idleness and an inability to say, "No, thanks". Maybe gripping the fat, drunken, diabetes suffering chavs might have released enough funds for your dad's drug? There's far more of them, for a start.
Thats the point 'a social health service from the cradle to the grave'. It was never meant to cater for people who come here as NHS Tourists, (immigrants).

I am of course biased at the moment, given my fathers predicament. He however, should not be told that there is too much of a drain of resourses, owing to the immigrant population.
 
#6
Somewhere in the Home Office there is a troll who knows the number of Nigerians, Ghanaians, Cote d'Ivoireans, Kenyans, Pakistanis and Afghans now availing themselves of the British welfare system. Next to him or her there is another troll who knows the number of people such as NottyAsh's father who receive a degraded service as a result.

I doubt that it would be politick in our castrated democracy for the two to get together and release the figures into the wild, but I'm sure that the figures would be shocking - or perhaps not, given that the Home Office has absolutely no idea how much of Africa is in England at the moment.
 
#8
SparkySteve said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7178416.stm

This story? I think the lady has made some poor choices in regards to what she wants to be doing in life, and specifically over here. However, why this is even "News" is beyond my comprehension, the rules seem to be clear from the article.
It's news because we're refusing treatment to someone who'll die without it. It's not our problem, because she's broken immigration law a number of times (if we're to believe the BBC), and it's not our fault if the country she was born in, raised kids in and chose to leave of her own free will is in such a state that it can't provide her with a dialysis machine.
 
#9
No-one should be forced to choose. But given the choice of paying for treatment for someone who has subscribed to the system all their life and someone who never has, to my mind there is no choice. (I feel terrible for voicing that), but when the people you love, suffer for people who have not paid a penny, I at least know what my choice would be.
 
#10
angular said:
SparkySteve said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7178416.stm

This story? I think the lady has made some poor choices in regards to what she wants to be doing in life, and specifically over here. However, why this is even "News" is beyond my comprehension, the rules seem to be clear from the article.
It's news because we're refusing treatment to someone who'll die without it. It's not our problem, because she's broken immigration law a number of times (if we're to believe the BBC), and it's not our fault if the country she was born in, raised kids in and chose to leave of her own free will is in such a state that it can't provide her with a dialysis machine.
Exactly, thanks for the clarification. The only news here is the Home Office doing it's job in sending her back, if the article is accurate.
 
#11
bobath said:
Do you happen to know why the drug has not been approved by NICE? A man of his age, in poor health already might end up even worse by using it. God forbid, but if all the side effects arn't know then maybe that is why.
I think it might have something to do with the £50K annual bill. It has apparently already seen good results.
 
#12
Slightly off topic, but still in theory related:

For a foreign national to get a visa from the immigration department to come to Blighty for anything longer than a holiday, they need a sponsor that is already in theatre i.e. someone already in the UK. The foreign national in question will have to fill in some forms and answer some question back home, but the sponsor only plays a very small speaking part should it all end up in court. But this is the Crux of it, the sponsor does not have to be a British Citizen to sponsor someone else to come in.
 
#13
Just read the BBC Wales story. Seems she ditched her "banking course" due to a lack of English! Fcuk her off at the high port, terminal illness or not.

You don't have to be a card carrying member of the BNP to know that illegal immigrants abusing our welfare system should not be tolerated.

Suitably ..... OUTRAGED!!!
 
#14
"She first came to the UK as a visitor in 2003, but then changed her status to student and attempted to enrol on a banking course at a city college, her solicitor explained.

Ms Sumani's lack of English prevented her from pursuing the course and she went to find work which contravened her student visa.

In 2005 she returned to Ghana to attend a memorial service for her dead husband.

But when she came back to the UK her student visa was revoked and she was only given temporary admission which effectively meant she was given notice she would be removed, her solicitor said.

She did not keep in touch with immigration officials and was first taken ill in January 2006."


Where's the problem, here illegally, gets caught and then gets sent home.
It's people like this, that use illness as an excuse to stay here, causing a drain on an NHS that already can't keep up with treating the indiginous population, that keeps others like Nottyash's dad from getting the treatment that he has rightfully paid for in taxes.
 
#15
nottyash said:
Thats the point 'a social health service from the cradle to the grave'. It was never meant to cater for people who come here as NHS Tourists, (immigrants).

I am of course biased at the moment, given my fathers predicament. He however, should not be told that there is too much of a drain of resourses, owing to the immigrant population.
But the real problem preventing there being enough money to fund your dad's treatment properly isn't the immigrants. Cut back on the unnecessary and avoidable treatment of self-inflicted wounds in the locally grown underclass and there'd be more than enough money to go round.

Why worry about a cup of water being tipped over your head when you're drowning?
 
#16
Look I’m a man of much sympathy…not! It should be quite simple, you pay into the pot, and you get the full treatment. You don’t pay, you get emergency treatment and fook off.

If the government cannot enforce that then let us opt out of National Insurance tax and put out money into private health where we do get what we pay for.

There just has to be a line where economic migrants are sent packing because they do drain the system as apposed to contribute.

Carrot, I'm sure there are alot of areas where money is wasted but lets start with the obvious, even if it is a cup of water as it only takes a teaspoon full to drown you!
 
#17
This lady returning to her home should not be an issue, she came here as a visitor, changed to a student visa. When the accountancy course was not started due to her lack of English, why if it was her intention to learn did she not start a course improving her English so she she could do the accountancy course.

As soon as Ms Sumani did not enroll on a course she should have returned to Ghana, she should not have been allowed to continue to stay on a student visa. This is yet another government mistake caused by their departments not following up on specific visas they issue.
 

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#18
smartascarrots said:
nottyash said:
Thats the point 'a social health service from the cradle to the grave'. It was never meant to cater for people who come here as NHS Tourists, (immigrants).

I am of course biased at the moment, given my fathers predicament. He however, should not be told that there is too much of a drain of resourses, owing to the immigrant population.
But the real problem preventing there being enough money to fund your dad's treatment properly isn't the immigrants. Cut back on the unnecessary and avoidable treatment of self-inflicted wounds in the locally grown underclass and there'd be more than enough money to go round.

Why worry about a cup of water being tipped over your head when you're drowning?
Because rather than concede that there are a vast swathe of British people who have never paid a penny towards the NHS but use it completely free of charge, it’s easier to lash out at ‘the immigrants’.

I’m in the same boat as you Carrots. I have private medical provision and following Nottyash’s line of reasoning should actually be withholding a proportion of my taxes (since I’ll never call upon the NHS). I wouldn’t countenance it of course because you have to accept that the NHS should treat people whether they contribute or not.
 
#19
If the government cannot enforce that the let us opt out of National Insurance tax and put out money into private health where we do get what we pay for.
Unfortunately, our politicians are very similar to some of our senior officers in that they're only interested in the job in hand, as long as it is only 'the job in hand'; the rest of the time is spent sorting out ones next job spec. As long as we are embedded in the dustbin that is Europe, hands are tied. Ministers can gob off all they want to get the votes to stay in power, but how much of it is followed up on? How many Labour voters voted for a party that wants to make us 'Pay-per-Mile' to use our cars?

Back on track, the NHS is what makes our country great, unfortunaltely, linked with European 'Nanny-State' rules, it's also our downfall.
 
#20
Sixty said:
I’m in the same boat as you Carrots. I have private medical provision and following Nottyash’s line of reasoning should actually be withholding a proportion of my taxes (since I’ll never call upon the NHS). I wouldn’t countenance it of course because you have to accept that the NHS should treat people whether they contribute or not.
If you say, get hit by a car and have to have emergency treatment, is that then reimbursed to the NHS through your private plan or is it waived as part of your normal tax?


EDIT for a touch of the spelling mong
 

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