Whither FRES? US GCV 'likely to weigh 85 tons'

#2
You mean FRES2050?

Sounds like a job for a slightly improved A400M, and as it happens BAE happen to have plenty of experience in this sort of thing.

[They could have used the C17 as a starting point, but everyone knows that it works ticketyboo and where's the profit in that??]
 
#3
Why is anyone surprised....there is only one way to survive an IED attack and that is by sticking a large amount of armour on your kit....shape/angles/materials etc are all details in the end, the majority of the defense is to stick a large mass in the way.

If you want your vehicle to have the comms/active defensive systems/fire power/survivability/mobility all rolled into one then it's going to be a big beast. There is only so much an engineer can do to bend the laws of physics.

S_R
 
#5
Why is anyone surprised....there is only one way to survive an IED attack and that is by sticking a large amount of armour on your kit....shape/angles/materials etc are all details in the end, the majority of the defense is to stick a large mass in the way.

If you want your vehicle to have the comms/active defensive systems/fire power/survivability/mobility all rolled into one then it's going to be a big beast. There is only so much an engineer can do to bend the laws of physics.

S_R
Won't Terry just build bigger IEDs? Not like he's short of HE after the Ivans left all their's behind after quitting in 88. No shortage of 155mm shells left over I've heard.
 
#6
Wasn' there an adage...

Warhead vs Armour, warhead always wins.
 

Grumblegrunt

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#8
is this another resurgent third reich idea like stealth planes and big missiles.

are they going to start working on the maus next?

previous poster beat me to it :)
 

Grumblegrunt

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#9
how is the power ranger program going?
 
#12
Tortoise...

Tortoise was a lightweight compared to Maus.

Why are the Yanks developing the ideal APC for Iraq and Afghanistan just as we all plan to bravely run away from the brave new world we've created in the Middle East?
Turtle Tortoise... they're not that different :D

Maus never left the garage though did it? But a quick check 188 tons... I doubt it could drive out of the tank park without crushing every road and bringing brdidges down.

It was ever thus, design your kit to fight the last war... pref one you won.
 
#16
An 85t (at least) IFV..... bloody thing better have built in bar and coffee machine with all that. At those sorts of weight it would seem rather pointless regarding cost to run and the ease of deployment
 
#18
#20
Maus never left the garage though did it?
There were rumours/urban myth that one of them was used to defend the proving ground it was being tested on against the Soviets I think. From memory Ivan captured two examples which were both sabotaged and made one working one out of them to send home for testing. The British captured parts of a third.
 

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