Whitewash of Red Cap enquiry

#2
Why should they when they can blame someone else? They have no idea of the concept of honour..................

The government are scum to blame a sergent who died in the service of his country but sadly this can come as no surprise to anyone who has followed the conduct of the war in Iraq and Blair's appalling behaviour.
 
#3
Sums up the top brasses attitude towards the fighting man on the ground (just another number!)

sick

agent smith
 
#4
This is no surprise from the government but what really disgusts me is for the Top Brass to join in and blame the Sgt!

So he was to blame for only being issued a radio that didn't meet a decent standard? He was to blame for being sent on a task to help the Iraqi police? He was to blame for staying and helping the soldiers he commands?

For you top brass who read this, I hope you rot in the lowest pits of hell that you deserve.

One very pisshed off D-L
 
#5
dui-lai said:
This is no surprise from the government but what really disgusts me is for the Top Brass to join in and blame the Sgt!

So he was to blame for only being issued a radio that didn't meet a decent standard? He was to blame for being sent on a task to help the Iraqi police? He was to blame for staying and helping the soldiers he commands?

For you top brass who read this, I hope you rot in the lowest pits of hell that you deserve.

One very pisshed off D-L
My sentiments exactly :evil: :evil: :evil:
 
#6
dui-lai said:
This is no surprise from the government but what really disgusts me is for the Top Brass to join in and blame the Sgt!
The top brass have forgotten that ultimate responsibility rests upon their shoulders as army leaders.
The top brass have always been too far removed in general from the 'guys on the ground', and when they do appear/show some form of interest it is only to be given the 'party line' by well rehearsed subordinates.
 
#7
dui-lai said:
So he was to blame for only being issued a radio that didn't meet a decent standard? He was to blame for being sent on a task to help the Iraqi police? He was to blame for staying and helping the soldiers he commands?
I think (only an opinion as haven't read the transcript) that the Sgt is being blamed because the local police offered him/them an exit and he/they didn't take it. Of course, there is no guarantee that even had they taken the exit they'd still be alive but sh1t - he's dead so let's blame him anyway.

Shades of the Chinook crash.

Cowardly b*st*rds blaming the dead.
 
#8
hup-two-three said:
dui-lai said:
So he was to blame for only being issued a radio that didn't meet a decent standard? He was to blame for being sent on a task to help the Iraqi police? He was to blame for staying and helping the soldiers he commands?
I think (only an opinion as haven't read the transcript) that the Sgt is being blamed because the local police offered him/them an exit and he/they didn't take it. Of course, there is no guarantee that even had they taken the exit they'd still be alive but sh1t - he's dead so let's blame him anyway.

Shades of the Chinook crash.

Cowardly b*st*rds blaming the dead.
I agree, they are below contempt :evil:
 
#9
This really is depressing why don’t they just piss on his grave and be done with it just when I think these scum have dropped to a all new low the just keep digging. I hope that Sergeant Simon Hamilton-Jewell and the men under his command can rest in peace oblivious to the attempts to shift the blame by those who they died serving.
 
#10
Top brass and The goverment have finally realised that the only way they can justify there existance when they mess up is by shifting the blame to those who can no longer justify there decisions. The perfect scapegoat.
They disgust me.
 
#11
bed_surfer said:
Top brass and The goverment have finally realised that the only way they can justify there existance when they mess up is by shifting the blame to those who can no longer justify there decisions. The perfect scapegoat.
They disgust me.

I agree, why put the blame on those who gave the highest price for their actions. Better to find out what can be done to prevent it happening again.

Most can think of orders or a task they have been given with little briefing and no kit available and being expected to get on with it. I hope his bosses can sleep easy on their decisions.

As for the top brass would anyone expect anything different, "cnuts'
 
#12
Some thoughts:

1. Send a message to those complicit in this travesty by voting against, and encouraging as many other people as possible to vote against, Bliar and his lot.

2. In a decade or more, this tragedy (and other whitewashes, such as Mull of Kintyre) may be subject to similar scrutiny to LAC Maddison's case - the arm of the law is long.

3. Is it time to discard the BoI system and replace it with something (heaven forbid) more impartial?
 
#14
The patrol commander took the blame and paid with his life.
Now the formation commander should answer, one asumes that his career is finished, I saw careers finished for much less.
Bad bissiness.
john
 
#15
What a shock they are using the old "sh*t runs down hill" tactic, God forbid they take the blame!!
Like the old saying goes we defend democracy, not practice it!!
All I can say is may God forgive them, cause none of us will!!
 
#16
Jonwill wrote
The patrol commander took the blame and paid with his life.
Now the formation commander should answer, one asumes that his career is finished, I saw careers finished for much less.
Bad bissiness.
john
Long ago the provost would not necessarily have been operating in this manner. They have moved into the 'soldier first policeman second' mode. This is fine if the soldier is fully and properly trained - from senior officer downwards and properly equipped. The bosses should have known the village was pished off at searches and that paras were unlikely to let this dissuade them in searching again. However, the truth has been borne away by the six bearers.
 
#17
I agree with all the above but would like to add an additional comment. Below is part of the story:

"Royal Military Police soldiers being abandoned and hopelessly under-equipped."

our glorious leaders abondoned us many moons ago and equip us with the least effective, overpriced shoody products that does not effect their wage packets.

The soldiers died doing their duty. Blair & TCH should do the same and fall on their respective swards
 
#18
So angry, I have emailed the Sun with a direct link to this thread. I apologise in advance for any comeback. I have given my full name and email address so if there is a feedback I will post it forthwith.
 
#19
So all of you, who haven't seen the official report or conclusions of the inquiry, are assuming that the Sun has it right, are you? I haven't seen the report and, yes, the way its told by the Sun, it sounds a tad too convenient for truth.

But the soldiers were equipped for the mission that they and their commanders had been led to believe was appropriate. They were wrong. And they had sh*t PRCs to do their comms. Like everyone else in Iraq at that time. Who're you going to blame? Geoff Hoon? Tony Blair? For sh*t radios purchased when they were children? Was the patrol leader complicit in the failure? I don't know - he's dead. He might have been and no doubt the report justifies any criticism of the dead sergeant.

I'm not saying it's right and I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm just saying that if you're prepared to take the Sun's word for it - rather than considering that they might be giving the report the worst possible spin to make it into a better story - then you a damn sight stupider than I took you for. Yes, you, D-L.

IF
 

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