White Paper "Valuable & Valued" - no longer the TA

OldSnowy

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#1
Well, today is the day. Massive changes, name not least. Any thoughts or comments here please.

As soon as the White Paper is released I will link to it. It's pretty meaty stuff, and will affect everyone in the TA today, or the Army Reserve tomorrow (as they are the same people...)
 
#2
They might be the same people today, but not tomorrow.

The offer will be different, and some will sign up to the new order, some won't. The key will be timings. I hear that some of the changes (TACOS specifically) won't kick in for some years (2016?) whilst the stuff that the Army wants (increased mobilisation powers for example) will be rushed through quickly via a reform bill (inc the name change).

Closing Units, rebadging others, whilst changing TACOS and embarking on a massive recruitiment drive against a backdrop of regular redundancies and a dodgy economic environment could only be thought up by a politician and a regular working together. Organic change was required not baby's and bathwater decisions. I wonder just how much objective input was recieved by the Army and the Govt from actual Territorials....

We will see. Lipstick on a Pig?
 
#3
Expect more spin than a Murali doosra backed up by a bunch of statistics that are so dodgy they could shame a used car salesman.
 
#4
They might be the same people today, but not tomorrow. The offer will be different, and some will sign up to the new order, some won't. The key will be timings. I hear that some of the changes (TACOS specifically) won't kick in for some years (2016?) whilst the stuff that the Army wants (increased mobilisation powers for example) will be rushed through quickly via a reform bill (inc the name change).Closing Units, rebadging others, whilst changing TACOS and embarking on a massive recruitiment drive against a backdrop of regular redundancies and a dodgy economic environment could only be thought up by a politician and a regular working together. Organic change was required not baby's and bathwater decisions. I wonder just how much objective input was recieved by the Army and the Govt from actual Territorials....We will see. Lipstick on a Pig?
As long as the bathwater includes the ‘non useful’ babies who have been funding their weekend drinking club habits for the last couple of decades it will be a step in the right direction ^~
 
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bokkatankie

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#5
Expect more spin than a Murali doosra backed up by a bunch of statistics that are so dodgy they could shame a used car salesman.
DT is already quoting more overseas exercises, better equipment, more training, etc., et al.

We will know, or not, soon enough; wonder if RMLY made the cut?
 

OldSnowy

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#6
I just hope there is not too much bad-mouthing of the "weekend drinking club" - as it is that WDC that provided all the reinforcements for TELIC, HERRICK, Op Olympics, G8 summits, ELLAMY, OCULUS, GRAPPLE, etc, over the past few years. It's easy to take cheap shots, but the TA has done what it was asked to do, and more.

What is happening now, it seems, is that it will be asked to do something different - something unprecedented in 'peacetime' - which is to become a real part of the Army, used all the time, and not something slightly to one flank.

We will see...
 
#7
Rgr, but cratering the organisation in the short term is a huge risk and won't help. A new order, properly articulated and with substance is required, not a 'direction of travel' creating uncertainty and indecision. With the Army's relentless 'posting' regime every 2+ years, and with the Defnece Minister likely to move any time, coherence and continuity won't be likely. I may drink the bar dry this weekend in the TAC just for good measure.... :)
 
#8
I just hope there is not too much bad-mouthing of the "weekend drinking club" - as it is that WDC that provided all the reinforcements for TELIC, HERRICK, Op Olympics, G8 summits, ELLAMY, OCULUS, GRAPPLE, etc, over the past few years. It's easy to take cheap shots, but the TA has done what it was asked to do, and more.What is happening now, it seems, is that it will be asked to do something different - something unprecedented in 'peacetime' - which is to become a real part of the Army, used all the time, and not something slightly to one flank. We will see...
They certainly did, or an element of them did, but surely that’s what they joined to do! A significant number (the WDC) did not and had no intention of doing so, but we have been down that path plenty of times :)No need to get all sensitive either. There are plenty of regulars who have taken the ‘shilling’ and not performed, a situation that also needs addressing ^~
 
#9
I hear only 2,500 responded to the Green paper. A bit shocking given its potential impact on all our futures. I know I cared enough to respond 3 times!
 

Auld-Yin

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#15
As long as the bathwater includes the ‘non useful’ babies who have been funding their weekend drinking club habits for the last couple of decades it will be a step in the right direction ^~
That covers quite a few ARABs as well - hopefully the redundancies programme will have seen them off, but I doubt it!
 
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EScotia

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DT is already quoting more overseas exercises, better equipment, more training, etc., et al.

We will know, or not, soon enough; wonder if RMLY made the cut?
I hope that "better equipment" arrives in a much better state than the Landrover HS my last unit got. The regular practice of taking their battlefield ambulances on a regular basis and replacing them with lower spec trashed ones really used to grip my faeces.
 

daywalker

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#18
Good to see the TA will be getting every foreign trip going now just to keep them interested...

Which has always gripped me about 4 Para who's blokes seem to have about 6 sets of foreign wings each whereas you will struggle to find a bloke in a regular bn who has even one set any more.
 

DOT

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#20
Well, today is the day. Massive changes, name not least. Any thoughts or comments here please.

As soon as the White Paper is released I will link to it. It's pretty meaty stuff, and will affect everyone in the TA today, or the Army Reserve tomorrow (as they are the same people...)
Hi OldSnowy
DOT has also been alerted to a number of statements relating to the Army reserves which are due to be released today in the House of Commons. We will be uploading them onto our thread as soon as we have access to them: http://www.arrse.co.uk/house-commons/201018-[news]-statement-army-reserves-3-july-12-30pm-est.html - if this proves useful?
 

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