White Males Barred From Fire Birgade Open Days

#3
Why aren't the FBU jumping all over this? Imagine if there was a mass walk out - or even resignation? Then Avon Fire & Rescue wouldn't have to worry about the inconvenience of employing non-ethnics. Dibble and the screws are no different, so don't bother applying for a job with them either... unless you fit the... erm... bill (pun unintended).
 
#5
This is what Avon F&RS has to say at this link: http://www.avonfire.gov.uk/Avon/News/Have-a-go+days.htm
"The service currently has a uniformed workforce which comprises 97% white males. Under Communities for Local Government (CLG) targets that are set for all fire and rescue services, AF&RS is expected to make steps towards a uniformed workforce comprising 15% female and 3% BME staff.

Barbara Brown, Head of AF&RS’s Equalities and Diversity Team said: “The stark reality is that we are some way off these targets and aside from our moral obligation and business imperative to better reflect the communities we serve, we could also potentially face criticism and other intervention from external sources if we didn’t take steps to address these imbalances."

It seems tey would be up the creek minus paddles if they don't try to increase their "BME & female" staff numbers thanks to Local Government guidelines. Not the firies fault, they are just bound by PC crap from above - a bit like soldiers really... (not in all respects - just PC crap)
 
#7
There shouldnt be 'targets for ethnic groups. Muslims dont want to be firemen because it means working hard. Cant imagine asians running to save a brewery on fire, or entering a church that was set on fire, and I cannot imagine the fire engine pulling over to the side of the road to allow the prayer mats to be laid out.

Wasnt it Avon fire brigade that got done because some firemen caught some pouffs rogering each other in a park and complained so the firemen got disciplined ??
 
#8
Is there anything else our minorities want handing to them on a plate ........ Mind you is there anything left to hand them on a plate
 
#9
Surely this is mostly to do with the area ? There are still many semi rural parts of the UK where there are very few ethnic minorities and maybe Avon/Somerset is just one of those areas ?

I must admit I had never really thought about it until a few years ago when I took my godsons primary school photo into work and showed it to my multi ethnic team. Several of them pointed out and thought it remarkable that there was just one black child in a school photo with 150 kids on it taken in Norfolk. In the future that young lad is going to be very busy doing 10 local authority jobs at once to meet the authorities BME targets :D

However, even if geography were the reason for Avons position I would have thought that they would at least employ more women, so maybe there may be some sense in the campaign after all.
 
#10
Its not just the Fire Service its every where, as a White Hetro sexual male, I want the same chance as the women and the ethnic. But it is now weighted against me. In the Police we have the Federation, which is then broken down with a womens Federation, Black and Asian Federation, and Gay and Lesbian Federation. All good jobs advertised state applicants from females and Ethnics are encouraged to apply. All Ethnics get mentored if they want it, all women Sgts and above, can receive mentoring, so can the disabled. But nothing for White Males. Welcome to the World how long before Ethnics and women in the Forces receive one to one Tutoring prior to Brecon, Small arms, and Sgts Exams.
New Zealand here I come, God I used to love this Country.
 
#11
Well when my house catches fire and me and my family burn to death i'll be happy to know that the firfighters that turn up meet the quotas from local government! and not the best people for the job!!!
 
#12
See Emperor mong has moved into diversity training :twisted: .
Run special open days for ethnics and women no one will care .
Great idea cheers for that . :twisted:
 
#13
Everyone should have the same opportunities irrespective of race, sex, colour etc.

The best men or women for the job get selected because of that, they are the best.

So it seems A & S Fire Brigade are happy to accept second best? Glad I dont live there.
 
#14
Me no expert, but: setting aside the 'outraged of the shires' stuff, is this actually legal? After all the cases of people being sued/taken to court for discrimination in hiring/firing, I cannot believe a 'white male' somewhere couldn't bring a case against them for being refused a chance at the job? Or is it like top trumps, and my CRE targets outrank your measly anti-discrimination legislation?

I thought that the law was the law, and that there are laws saying that jobs are open to all, irrespective of race,creed, gender etc. When was that law overturned? Or am I just very naive?
 
#15
Top_Man said:
There shouldnt be 'targets for ethnic groups. Muslims dont want to be firemen because it means working hard. Cant imagine asians running to save a brewery on fire, or entering a church that was set on fire, and I cannot imagine the fire engine pulling over to the side of the road to allow the prayer mats to be laid out.

Wasnt it Avon fire brigade that got done because some firemen caught some pouffs rogering each other in a park and complained so the firemen got disciplined ??
You mlaring panhead. What a complete load of twonk. I think in addition to spouting utter drivel you are also confusing Muslims and asians!
 
#16
103 women and ethnic minorities attending 3 sessions over a period of 18 hours. Compared with 179 in an open to all session over 90 minutes (and the cynic in me would guess the majority of these were white males or minorities who don't want to be singled out for special treatment)! If that doesn't get the message through to these retards then nothing will! Why can't they just accept that some people don't want to join the fire service and that some do. When they set targets what happens if they can't meet them - do they have to press gang individuals or lower entry standards. It should be fairly simple; you accept applicants on merit with no recognition of race, creed, colour, sex or sexuality - now wouldn't that be fair and equal. I feel oppressed however as they did not have a designated day for left-handers, they could well be an under represented group!
 
#17
Just did my sums and compare the 103 attendees over the 3 minority/female sessions with the 2148 that would have attended over the same period of time if you extrapolate the 179 from the first 90 minutes of the open to all session.

This means that only 4.5% of those attending the recruitment drive were minority/female yet they are trying to recruit 15% women and 3% from minorities! Assuming everyone applying has an 'equal' ability they would need to discriminate against the majority of applicants in order to meet targets that are plainly ridiculous.
 
#18
Of course if we were to fill every councils mnority quota across the country for jobs, we'd actually run out of ethnic minority population to fill the jobs. Its all very well calling for minority representation, but when they make up roughly 6% of the population, and are largely concentrated in certain key areas, to expect equal, widespread targets nationally is insane.
 
#19
In the late `80s I was an Instructor at a fire service recruit training school. When the first women came along for training the famous "carry down" of an unconscious person from a third floor window by ladder was quietly phased out. The females just weren`t strong enough to do it, it was hard enough for fit, active men to do.

If your house is on fire you want 6 strong guys turning up, they don`t need to be particularly bright, as that breeds resentment at the fire station when there is boring work to do.

I left after 16 years, it was the best job in the world once but not now.

harry19
 
#20
Horridlittleman said:
This means that only 4.5% of those attending the recruitment drive were minority/female yet they are trying to recruit 15% women and 3% from minorities! Assuming everyone applying has an 'equal' ability they would need to discriminate against the majority of applicants in order to meet targets that are plainly ridiculous.
A perfect example of some useless committee plucking a figure out of the air and making another pointless "Government Target".
"We interviewed 500 men and 500 women, and 30% of the women expressed a wish to be firefighters. So we'll go for a 15% female quota target." ... what utter borrocks.

Who on that imaginary Committee, either half-pi66ed or on day release from an asylum [can we say that?] imagined that there are that many women who want to risk life and limb in a bloody dangerous job. Or have the physical strength, determination and courage to do it?

As for the BEM quota, and NOT being racist, I would guess it depends where you live. A quota of 3% might be achievable in the Midlands, but I'd guess Kyle & Bute might have a problem. :wink:
 

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