Which number is greater, Military or Civil MOD staff

#1
Listening to radio 2 the other day, Jeremy Vine reported that they had asked the MOD which was higher the number of Armed Forces or the Civil Staff, form his response the MOD didnt know.

So which is higher? Should'nt it be the "Fighting half"?
 
#2
MOD staff - in my loc they have grown by 50%

BTW - Brown is bringing on the equivalent of one infantry regt A WEEK into the civil service and still cutting us.

500 a week 8O
 
#6
I don't have the exact numbers to hand but the MoD civil service staff have outnumbered the forces for some time now.

Sir Humphrey Appleby has become reality. If it wasn't so sh1te it would be funny.
 
#7
There was an article in the papers - Scotsman, Glasgow Herald and Telegraph - about this in Late September / early October. At that point there was approximately 5,000 more MoD civil servants than the whole of the armed forces.

You do the math...
 

OldSnowy

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#9
Hootch said:
AND ... they ain't all on squaddies pay

Who's asking the questions????

Keetch???

Fat Boy Soames ???
Nope, they certainly aren't. Most of the people I work with earn consdierably less than squaddies. Given, they don't get shot at a lot (depends where in London they live, of course) but even so Civil Service pay isn't good. Even the pension is being mucked about with, and that's the only thing that keeps a lot of people working.

Have a look at what the MoD pays a Civvy Vehicle Fitter, or Welder, and compare it to what they are paid elsewhere. It's no wonder there are lots of vacancies.
 
#10
OldSnowy said:
Hootch said:
AND ... they ain't all on squaddies pay

Who's asking the questions????

Keetch???

Fat Boy Soames ???
Nope, they certainly aren't. Most of the people I work with earn consdierably less than squaddies. Given, they don't get shot at a lot (depends where in London they live, of course) but even so Civil Service pay isn't good. Even the pension is being mucked about with, and that's the only thing that keeps a lot of people working.

Have a look at what the MoD pays a Civvy Vehicle Fitter, or Welder, and compare it to what they are paid elsewhere. It's no wonder there are lots of vacancies.
Then look at the claims they put in to supplement their meagre wages. They have access to military white fleet vehicles when on work related jobs but take their own and claim for fuel.
 
#11
OldSnowy said:
Have a look at what the MoD pays a Civvy Vehicle Fitter, or Welder, and compare it to what they are paid elsewhere. It's no wonder there are lots of vacancies.
#

That they are all lighting their cigars with hundred pound notes was never likly, but even if they got paid less on average than a squaddie, it's the numbers, the sheer scale that gets me.

Time for them to be re-roled, more troops for iraq perhaps?
 
#12
Bob_the_bulletproof said:
OldSnowy said:
Have a look at what the MoD pays a Civvy Vehicle Fitter, or Welder, and compare it to what they are paid elsewhere. It's no wonder there are lots of vacancies.
#

That they are all lighting their cigars with hundred pound notes was never likly, but even if they got paid less on average than a squaddie, it's the numbers, the sheer scale that gets me.

Time for them to be re-roled, more troops for iraq perhaps?
How do you intend to re-role Fat Eric the diesel fitter and Fag-ash Madge the typist?
Armoured or Airmobile?
 
#13
Bob_the_bulletproof said:
OldSnowy said:
Have a look at what the MoD pays a Civvy Vehicle Fitter, or Welder, and compare it to what they are paid elsewhere. It's no wonder there are lots of vacancies.
#

That they are all lighting their cigars with hundred pound notes was never likly, but even if they got paid less on average than a squaddie, it's the numbers, the sheer scale that gets me.

Time for them to be re-roled, more troops for iraq perhaps?
How do you intend to re-role Fat Eric the diesel fitter and Fag-ash Madge the typist?
Armoured or Airmobile?
 

Goatman

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#14
Hootch said:
MOD staff - in my loc they have grown by 50%

BTW - Brown is bringing on the equivalent of one infantry regt A WEEK into the civil service and still cutting us.

500 a week 8O

Great soundbite mate - but the Ministry of Defence is NOT recruiting 500 civilians a week, so I'm not sure where all these good folk may be beavering away - Ministry of Regional Macrobiotic Yoghurt Weaving ?

FWIW, MoD Civilian manpower has decreased by around 35% in the time I've been in Her Madge's employ.

There's a pocket brief from DASA with all this in - talk amongst yourselves for a moment , enjoy the Mozart...... ah here we go -
http://centre.defence.mod.uk/dasa/publications/pdfs/pocketbriefs/defperpocket.pdf

In June 2003 there were 88,550 MoD CivService compared to 206,440 Service personnel - all ranks.

If I can find a more recent copy I'll post how the picture has changed in the last 18 months. :)

Lee Shaver
 

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#15
Ord_Sgt said:
I don't have the exact numbers to hand but the MoD civil service staff have outnumbered the forces for some time now.

<< Nah, sadly this is complete ollocksB ....>>

Sir Humphrey Appleby has become reality. If it wasn't so sh1te it would be funny.

...see above....which planet exactly Sarge?...oh, Down Under...nuff said really.....keep taking the Swan mate, 'cos the pills are NOT working!

Le Chevre
 
#16
Whats location got to do with it? If I'm wrong fair enough. You a civil servant then?
 

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#17
Ord_Sgt said:
Whats location got to do with it? If I'm wrong fair enough. You a civil servant then?
O-S from some of the replies by Goatman over several threads I think he is Sir Humphrey (or TCH). :wink:
 
#18
I am a Civil Servant. I work for sh*t wages but because the location suits me for family, quality of life reasons. I do a similar job to the one I did when I was in but for approx £16k per annum less.

CS know that we have a pension and rely on people getting out after 24 years (my case) and wanting to remain local to the area. There is a final salary pension at the moment (contributory at 3.5%) but this would appear to now be under threat.

The government/press have been making sure that problems associated with the CS have been getting into press lately so they can perpetuate low wages and attack the pension system. JUst look at the news and look at what you guys have been writing. I'm sure you will all be on CS side when cuts etc are announced and you see a possible CS picket line somewhere. This thread is evidence that you all appear to think that CS have easy life.

To answer another observation on the thread, CS travel regs are exactly the same as military. Vehicle pool but it easier if travelling locally to use own car and claim. Anyone who thinks it is the norm for long journeys or that CS make huge amounts of money thru' this route is not aware of how stringent a CS finance dept operates.

They are audited same as everyone else and there is need for authority to be obtained prior to journeys and then all has to be within budget etc.

Nice to see if those that suggest the numbers of CS are greater than Armed Forces come back on thread and re-state their case.

Military personnel are more expensive than CS. That's why where possible this short term cost saving government replaces Joe Squaddie with a YTS kid. Low wages, cheaper pension etc.

Look forward to seeing where this thread goes next. Good link Goatman.
 
#19
It goes all the way to Australia. If the location suits you stop whining that you don’t earn enough. You could always move and earn more. If you don’t want to tough titties.

Your names not Bernard is it?
 
#20
Ord_Sgt said:
It goes all the way to Australia. If the location suits you stop whining that you don’t earn enough. You could always move and earn more. If you don’t want to tough titties.

Your names not Bernard is it?
T wat! Ever tried reading properly?

It wasn't a moan about lower pay, - just pointing out the differences from someone who is inside the system.
 

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