Where we are headed......

#1
I read this 'article' with nothing short of horror and disgust. I'll be sending an annotated version to No. 2 Daughter who, bless her, is studying 'journalism' ( OK, in Brno, and she is foremost Slovak though perfectish in English, so there may be some hope.). Aside from the interesting presentation , this is where we are all headed unless it is stopped sharpish. Plenty of people on here far more intelligent than me, so no need to expand on the implications. Things are bad enough now. Time for a radical rethink of what is being done to 'humanity' before it's too late ( well, it already might be..).

UK businesses using artificial intelligence to monitor staff activity


PS I love the psycholinguistics : it could encourage people not to take breaks ..not it might discourage people from, and plenty others.... I also nearly laughed my end off at the Since you're here bit at the end which I read in full for the first time........The Gruniad..independent???? Just read Blair Inc. and the number of their journalists who have a Labour agenda and more specifically Blairite agenda...well....
 
#3
You'll love this speculative fiction then
Omega
 
#4
The bit that intersts me is "it is the latest example of a trend for using algorithms to manage people, which trade unions fear creates distrust but others predict could reduce the effects of bias". For many years I had a boss who always insisted we had a system, impartial, numeric etc. but then we had to 'Sense check' all the results, which essentially meant ignoring anything that disagreed with his prejudices. If your manager can actaully understand the IA analysis and you aren't a skiving tw*t, then you probably have nothing to fear. Of course the union is there to represent all its members, including the workshy, so they are never gonig to be happy with it.
 
#6
It is intersting what data analysis can gain you, 10-15 years ago I was talking to a steel rolling mill mananger. They'd installed clever power analysis software and realised they were wasting significant ammounts of power around the breakfast break in the morning as systems were allowed to cool and had to be reheated while staff took their break and went to get food from a mobile van that turned up in the carpark. He bought a microwave, tasked one of the admin secretarial staff to start collecting the food and staggered the time people took their break. The cost saving was measurable and in terms of £ thousands a week. The software and microwave had been paid for in the first month after the changes.
 
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#9
Having worked around a number of workshy bastards in my time, I have no problems with this.

If it's acceptable for say, Haix to have a monitoring system which shows in percentage, who's performing that day and who's not (which is on view to the whole shop floor), why can't a desk based business where perhaps there isn't a tangible return every day?

We've all done it - spent five days on a task that actually, could've been done in two, but we wanted to stretch it out a bit.

If you're running a business, you need to make sure your manpower is cost efficient. The trick will be making sure the figures aren't abused or misunderstood and that staff are duly regarded and supported for what might become for some, an an increase in work pace.

No doubt it'd lead to redundancies as well, as it showed duplication of tasks or that the work is actually enough for three, rather than four people.

That also, is okay. You run a business, not a charity - which is a concept I think more and more people now realise as people are made redundant on a daily basis, often in large numbers when plants shut down, etc

Certainly in this country where wage rates are so high, you'd better make goddamn sure you get every penny's worth of labour, and that you as an employee give it, otherwise it's off to Vietnam with your job.

There's an excellent video about Clyde shipping from the 80s. Bunch of idiot workers stuck in the past who believe they're entitled to big breaks and that they'll just strike. Kaverner, the company said that if they continued down that route they'd have no job to come to.

Same for Grangemouth - threats for industrial action a few years back and the owners said, almost to the word, 'That's fine, we'll just shut down the company and declare bankruptcy as we're already losing millions a week'.

Surprise surprise, the union and workers shat their pants and no strike.

In summary, this country is full of commie bastards and workshy fucks and I welcome our robot overlords.
 
#10
IIRC in the early 80s a bakery in Aintree, Liverpool sacked a worker for theft(?). The union called the workforce out on strike requiring the guy to be re-instated, but the owners said if you don't return to work we'll shut the bakery down.

Union insisted the guy be re-instated and that the workforce would stay out on strike.

Result was, no more bakery. I think a total of over 100 people lost their jobs.
 
#11
China is the precedent, where citizens are monitored and given a rating based on their behaviour and online habits

You can see it happening here, any gang related memes on social media and suddenly they can't buy petrol or get train tickets etc

Seeing even the Tories seem content to crack down on civil liberties, we need to be ever watchful of government and really Westminster should be scared of us not the other way round

Take the new online porn laws, a thinly disguised excuse to crack down on civil liberties, and build a database of information to use against people the state dislikes
 
#12
Power without accountability is very dangerous.

Having worked around a number of workshy bastards in my time, I have no problems with this.

If it's acceptable for say, Haix to have a monitoring system which shows in percentage, who's performing that day and who's not (which is on view to the whole shop floor), why can't a desk based business where perhaps there isn't a tangible return every day?

We've all done it - spent five days on a task that actually, could've been done in two, but we wanted to stretch it out a bit.

If you're running a business, you need to make sure your manpower is cost efficient. The trick will be making sure the figures aren't abused or misunderstood and that staff are duly regarded and supported for what might become for some, an an increase in work pace.

No doubt it'd lead to redundancies as well, as it showed duplication of tasks or that the work is actually enough for three, rather than four people.

That also, is okay. You run a business, not a charity - which is a concept I think more and more people now realise as people are made redundant on a daily basis, often in large numbers when plants shut down, etc

Certainly in this country where wage rates are so high, you'd better make goddamn sure you get every penny's worth of labour, and that you as an employee give it, otherwise it's off to Vietnam with your job.

There's an excellent video about Clyde shipping from the 80s. Bunch of idiot workers stuck in the past who believe they're entitled to big breaks and that they'll just strike. Kaverner, the company said that if they continued down that route they'd have no job to come to.

Same for Grangemouth - threats for industrial action a few years back and the owners said, almost to the word, 'That's fine, we'll just shut down the company and declare bankruptcy as we're already losing millions a week'.

Surprise surprise, the union and workers shat their pants and no strike.

In summary, this country is full of commie bastards and workshy fucks and I welcome our robot overlords.
But what if that information is being collected by a company with links to a political or other group that wants to cause trouble? Do we really want a workforce that is punished for going against the wishes of Moscow or the Chinese Communist Party?

Is turning the workforce into compliant robots going to improve productivity?
Surely empowering them makes more sense?
 
#13
database of information to use against people the state dislikes
Tin foil hat on:-
By state you must mean the surveillance agencies, GCHQ, Menwith hill, MI5-6, plod, and I suspect other not so well known government departments. George Orwell's dystopian future is no more, its now fact, social media is monitored, as are all overseas calls, and the fact that there are 4,000,000 surveillance cameras on the UK mainland, more per head than any other country in the world, must tell you something. Some council block lifts are fitted with cameras and two way speakers. The slow creeping insidious control of the population started in WW2 with the "Mass observation" covert recording the thoughts and comments of ordinary people, for analysis by the intelligence services. The 10 yearly census is another form of state control, and intelligence gathering, as are the roadside stops, asking dam fool questions.
And why is there a number on your voting paper? .................. Tin foil hat off.
 
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Having worked around a number of workshy bastards in my time, I have no problems with this.

If it's acceptable for say, Haix to have a monitoring system which shows in percentage, who's performing that day and who's not (which is on view to the whole shop floor), why can't a desk based business where perhaps there isn't a tangible return every day?

We've all done it - spent five days on a task that actually, could've been done in two, but we wanted to stretch it out a bit.

If you're running a business, you need to make sure your manpower is cost efficient. The trick will be making sure the figures aren't abused or misunderstood and that staff are duly regarded and supported for what might become for some, an an increase in work pace.

No doubt it'd lead to redundancies as well, as it showed duplication of tasks or that the work is actually enough for three, rather than four people.

That also, is okay. You run a business, not a charity - which is a concept I think more and more people now realise as people are made redundant on a daily basis, often in large numbers when plants shut down, etc

Certainly in this country where wage rates are so high, you'd better make goddamn sure you get every penny's worth of labour, and that you as an employee give it, otherwise it's off to Vietnam with your job.

There's an excellent video about Clyde shipping from the 80s. Bunch of idiot workers stuck in the past who believe they're entitled to big breaks and that they'll just strike. Kaverner, the company said that if they continued down that route they'd have no job to come to.

Same for Grangemouth - threats for industrial action a few years back and the owners said, almost to the word, 'That's fine, we'll just shut down the company and declare bankruptcy as we're already losing millions a week'.

Surprise surprise, the union and workers shat their pants and no strike.

In summary, this country is full of commie bastards and workshy fucks and I welcome our robot overlords.
Hmm, Haix monitoring efficiency by public shaming and conformity to the specified ideal.... Not a good look for a Germany company...

Too soon in the thread to ask if it is linked to a snappy work/life balance motto?
 
#16
Hmm, Haix monitoring efficiency by public shaming and conformity to the specified ideal.... Not a good look for a Germany company...

Too soon in the thread to ask if it is linked to a snappy work/life balance motto?
I bet the workers aren't too keen on the new mantra of "work will set you free" either
 
#19
I re-read (Well listened to it in the car) '1984' again last week.
I'm certain George didn't intend it as an instruction manual for the world.
“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—forever.”
 
#20
Labour seem to be following the Nazi doctrine of attaining power by any means necessary, even to go as far as to invent their own 'stab in the back' myth

I wonder if our children will be watching programs like "The Labour Party - a warning from history"

 

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