Where Eagles Dare - Helicopter?

#1
Just settled down with some beers, dismissed the wench and kicked the brats in to touch.

So there I am watching Where Eagles Dare and a Helicopter shows up, WTF?

Can anyone explain whether this is 'correct' or just Hollywood re-inventing the wheel.
 
#2
according to wikimadeupshit:

The luftwaffe had these:

Flettner Fl 184 prototype reconnaissance helicopter
Flettner Fl 282 Kolibri (Hummingbird), reconnaissance helicopter
Focke Achgelis Fa 223 Drache (Kite), transport helicopter (prototype
Focke Achgelis Fa 266 Hornisse (Hornet), helicopter (prototype)
Focke Achgelis Fa 330, helicopter (prototype)
Focke Achgelis Fa 336 scout helicopter (prototype), 1944
Focke-Wulf Fw 61, helicopter (prototype)
Focke-Wulf Fw 186, autogiro reconnaissance aircraft (prototype)


I remember seeing one in a museum somewhere but it escapes me.......
 
#3
Bravo2nothing said:
Just settled down with some beers, dismissed the wench and kicked the brats in to touch.

So there I am watching Where Eagles Dare and a Helicopter shows up, WTF?

Can anyone explain whether this is 'correct' or just Hollywood re-inventing the wheel.
I'd say its a bit of both mate.
 
#4
It's not really correct although there were some early helicopters flying. I don't think anything was near to being operational.
 
#5
I know the scene you mean Never understood why it was in the film anyway
 
#6
"Goofs for
Where Eagles Dare (1968)
advertisement Anachronisms: Although helicopters weren't widely used in military operations until well after World War II, the US and Germany had both experimental and production helicopters, but the helicopter shown landing inside the German compound was a Bell model 47 which did not see production until 1947"

Knew the 'copter in the film was a septic, I just thought you ment in real life.
 
#8
datumhead said:
"Goofs for
Where Eagles Dare (1968)
advertisement Anachronisms: Although helicopters weren't widely used in military operations until well after World War II, the US and Germany had both experimental and production helicopters, but the helicopter shown landing inside the German compound was a Bell model 47 which did not see production until 1947"

Knew the 'copter in the film was a septic, I just thought you ment in real life.
I'd taken that as a given.
 
#9
I think you will find that a number of FA-223 Drache helicopters were operational particularly with the alpine units although not seeing much action they did do recovery/rescue missions including self recovery when they spanked in which they were prone to doing

I think the eagles dare thingy is homage to that rather idea rather than truly accurate - or as we would like to say Hollywood B****ks!

KDB
 
#11
doent mention the bit where they climb out of the river and the "snow" melts into the water......it was salt and goes gloopy when wet! "speshul efects" ...eh?
 
#13
IIRC, the helicopter in the Alistair McLean novel is a period Arado helicopter. but there aren't any surviving examples so they just used a Bell 47 for the movie.

Still at least they made some effort. How many 60's war movies have Walker Bulldog and M16 half-tracks for Panzers and Hanomags? :D
 
#17
Anachronisms: Although helicopters weren't widely used in military operations until well after World War II, the US and Germany had both experimental and production helicopters, but the helicopter shown landing inside the German compound was a Bell model 47 which did not see production until 1947


Continuity: When Shaffer starts the cable car and runs to it to jump on himself, it doesn't actually start moving until he is nearly aboard.


Revealing mistakes: During the classic corridor shootout between Schaeffer and the Nazis, the soldier who gets hit lying at the other end flies backwards before the ricochet charges in front of him go off.
shooting L to R or R to L surely explains this.


Audio/visual unsynchronized: When Christiansen fires at Smith through the roof of the cable car, he fires five shots yet the pistol can be heard to click empty on the fifth.


Continuity: When Smith kicks Christiansen in the face on the roof of the cable car, there is already blood on Christiansen's face.


Audio/visual unsynchronized: When Smith shoots the radio operator twice in the back, the second blood bag fails to go off in sync with the gunshot


Factual errors: Schaffer's firing a machine pistol in each hand simultaneously would require almost superhuman strength.
super human? I doubt it, not that I've fired a schmeisser but..


Crew or equipment visible: When the captured German Alpine Post Bus races throughout the airfield, Schaffer and Mary shoot several small jeeps which flip over. As they do, the rope that flipped them can be seen being pulled off screen.


Crew or equipment visible: When Smith leads the group across the railroad tracks in Werfen, members of the film crew are reflected in the windows.


Continuity: When Major Smith goes into the Bier Keller, he is wearing an officer's peaked cap. He takes it off and places it on the table and we never see it again. (Apparently, it was stolen from the set during the lunch break.)


Continuity: When the traitor is shot while dangling from a rope outside the castle, the close-up shows him wearing a standard German field gray uniform. In the next shot, as he plummets to his death, he is wearing a camouflaged winter overcoat.


Continuity: The bullet holes in the back of the bus appear then disappear during the final chase.


Continuity: When Major Smith drives the captured German Alpine Post Bus toward the line of planes at Oberhausen Airfield, you can see that the Horizontal Stabilizer (small wing at the tail) of the first plane has already been destroyed, probably from a previous take.


Continuity: When Mary Elison climbs out of the river, her hair is wet/dry/wet between shots.


Revealing mistakes: When the metal canisters which landed by parachute at the beginning of the film are first seen, there is an obvious trail through the snow leading into the far trees, indicating the canisters were placed rather than parachuted into position.


Continuity: When they prepare to leap into the river, the cable car appears to be over the middle of the river, perhaps even a close to the far bank. But when they do leap, the first jumper lands close the near bank and the cable car moves over the river once again.


Factual errors: During the briefing, early in the movie, the team is told that General Carnaby had been on his way to meet with his Russian counterpart regarding D-Day plans and that the meeting place was to have been Crete. That would be impossible as Crete had been seized in a German airborne assault in the spring of 1941 and remained in German hands until the war ended.


Continuity: As Major Smith and the group walk past the wood shed at Werfen their shadows disappear between shots.


Revealing mistakes: When the Nazi car (after Smith and Shaeffer's arrest) is pushed into the ravine, it explodes without apparent reason before touching the ground. The same happens to the planes of the airfield being lightly hit on the tail by the German Alpine Post Bus.


Continuity: Smith radios HQ and tells them he is..."effecting entry within the hour." At HQ, Smith's transmission of "Broadsword calling Danny boy" is heard at a significantly faster rate than Smith spoke it into his radio.


Continuity: After Smith and Schaffer initially climb into the Schloss Adler, Schaffer puts on a cap and Smith doesn't have one as they walk out the door of a room and into a hall. Less than a minute later, both of them are walking down another hall, and Smith now has a hat similar to Schaffer's.


Continuity: The scenes showing the escape out the window shows the stunt people rappelling normally with full rigging in the long shots, yet in the close up shots the actors are just holding onto the rope and they were not shown rigging the ropes for rappelling and did not show the use of any "D" rings or other rappelling gear.


Revealing mistakes: Near the end of the corridor firefight, Schaffer retreats into the room and a German soldier throws a grenade through the door. In the widescreen version you can see the grenade strike the door frame and bounce back at the actor's feet, yet there is an explosion inside the room where the grenade would have landed. And grenades do not explode in a fireball as shown in this, (and other) movies.


Revealing mistakes: The tree stump of a tree supposedly blown off by dynamite shows clear signs of being cut down with a chainsaw.


Continuity: When escaping the castle, Smith helps Mary down from the roof of the cable car and then follows her into it. Between shots the chain blocking the entrance to the cable car disappears.


Continuity: When Colonel Weissner's car crashes with Smith and Schaffer in it, the car launches over a pile of dirt and crashes into a second pile, throwing the Colonel out through the windshield. When Schaffer and Smith get out of the car, the dirt piles are gone, allowing them to push the car around and, ultimately, over the cliff with relative ease.


Continuity: When Mary is escaping the castle on a rope, through the window, she moves backwards down the window sill to the edge of the wall. Both her hands are in front of her, holding the rope. The next shot shows her (stunt double) abseiling down the rope with one hand behind her back (the correct way to do it, the back hand is used as a brake).


Continuity: When Schaffer and Smith enter the castle for the first time Smith suggests they disable the helicopter lest they try and fly General Carnaby out in it during their rescue attempt. Later on, after Schaffer kills the pilot in the radio room, Smith refers to Carnaby as Cartwright Jones instead. An actor impersonating the General.


Factual errors: The only SS Mountain divisions, 'Handschar' and 'Prinz Eugen', were stationed in Yugoslavia during the war on anti-partisan operations.
Could this be because the castle used in the movie was near Split in Croatia (or is that just a dirty rumour?)

Continuity: The post bus used in the final escape has a black painted radiator with a silver circular badge on it when seen in the garage. However, when it is seen outside, the radiator and badge are painted red.


Continuity: When Maj. Jonathan Smith is shot in the left hand closing a door behind him towards the final sequences of the film, he bandages the hand. This bandage and the blood on the bandage and his hand, disappears and reappears throughout the cable car scenes.


Factual errors: Early in the film, Christiansen makes reference to a "Pathfinder squadron...with ten-ton bombs". The film is set some time before late 1944 which is when bombs of this size were developed, and the first wasn't dropped until March 1945. Also, the role of Pathfinder squadrons was marking targets, and they wouldn't have carried the bombs themselves.


Plot holes: Although several stylish call signs are used in the radio transmissions ("Broadsword", "Danny Boy", "Father McCree"), most of the other operatives and Colonel Turner are referred to by name in open transmission.


Factual errors: At the beginning of the movie Colonel Turner introduces Schaffer, saying something like, "Lt. Schaffer needs no introduction, you will all recognize his shoulder patches of the Rangers Division." There were no Ranger divisions, only battalions.


Continuity: After the swim in the river all four heroes are soaking wet. Yet when they are in the plane, Major Smith produces an immaculately dry notebook with the incriminating evidence. No wet pages or blurred ink.


Errors in geography: During Col. Turner's briefing he told the group, "We carried out a saturation raid on Nuremberg last night. There shouldn't have been a German fighter within a hundred miles of the Austrian border. A wandering Messerschmitt patrol got him." The Austrian border is 120 miles southeast of Nuremberg; completely the opposite direction to which Allied bombers flew back to England after raids on Germany.


Continuity: In the early scene where the agents parachute from the aircraft, Mary Elison is inside and seen jumping through the door and departing to the right. This would indicate that she is jumping through a door on the right hand side of the fuselage. When we see a shot of her from outside the aircraft, she is leaving from a left hand door. The interior and exterior scenes do not match up.
 

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