Where does Dont rely on TA pay come from......

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#2
Lumpy said:
So...Where does this whole 'Dont rely on it' balls come from?
Years of experience.

I can only presume you didn't check TA Regs thoroughly enough.

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Very true, I must admit experience should have taught me not to expect my pay....I'll have another go through TA Regs, see if I can come up with the relevant section. I've combed Chapters 5 & 7 (Terms of service and Pay etc) so far....
 
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Lumpy said:
BUT...when I spend over 7 weeks away from home, at the request of the TA, and not earning money in my regular, day to day civvy occupation
So next time, tell them to poke it or make provision to pay your bills.

Lumpy said:
So...Where does this whole 'Dont rely on it' balls come from?
Common Sense?
 
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If you’re hacked off with not being paid for the time you’ve put in then don’t turn up for another drill night / weekend until you start getting paid, and let your PSAO know why you’re not turning up.

If enough recruits do this then the message might just sink in.
 
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Lumpy said:
So...Where does this whole 'Dont rely on it' balls come from?
Take your pick from one of the following........

PSAO's and Pay staff who can't get pay sheets entered into the system by the right date.

Officer's and SNCO's who don't want to chase HQ staff with pay issues for their blokes.

Tom's who can't follow simple instructions on filling in a pay sheet.

Glasgow Snivel Servants taking leave and or public holidays just before pay day.

JPA!
 
#8
DROTAP:

It's a esoteric statement to infer a philosophy of the volunteer ethos. A bit like asking the Rolls Royce salesman about the mpg of a Silver Spur - if you need to knwo, you can't afford the car. If you need TA pay, as the theory goes, you're doing it for the wrong reasons. I don't believe for one moment that it's enshrined in TA Regs - that's a red herring.

Of course, in days of yore, this held water. However, under the new fangled version of the TA with increasing standards, demands, TIME!, an commitment, an expectation of availability to be mobilised, it's like Liza's bucket - full of holes.

sadly, I once thought that DROTAP was the preferred philosophy. Today, my opinion has changed irrevocably.

No pay, I wouldn't turn up. Those that do are merely falling into the trap of regular complacency towards the TA and being taken for granted. Regulars wouldn't do it, why should you.

Vote with your feet
 
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Lumpy, why cant you go to your AO and ask for an advance?

Originaly the expression refered to the fact that you should treat TA pay as extra to your civvy salary so dont include it when applying for a mortgage etc. These days the meaning has changed to say that if you ever get TA pay you are lucky.
 
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You don't expect big companies to pay on time do you??? If you worked for a small two bit operation then you should not rely on pay, I've been in a company like that and its not good when pay doesn't come in on time...
 
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Lumpy said:
Mr Tracey, Thats exactly what I'm doing. The unit expects me to go away again in a week or so (very short notice) for a number of weeks. I've now told them that I'm not going, and they're huffing and puffing about my commitment!
By not paying you on time the TA isn’t exactly showing much commitment to you…
 
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Tell them to poke it.

Remember: Family -> Work -> TA

Very simple.

msr
 
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Lumpy said:
762baynet said:
Lumpy, why cant you go to your AO and ask for an advance?

Originaly the expression refered to the fact that you should treat TA pay as extra to your civvy salary so dont include it when applying for a mortgage etc. These days the meaning has changed to say that if you ever get TA pay you are lucky.
762....Tried that, but was fcuked off in short order......In essence, I was told to save up as if I was going on holiday......
Oh.
Bear in mind that there are some blokes on ops who arent getting paid properly/ at all. That said your situation is not really acceptable.
If your AO has told you to sling your hook ask him if he can recommend someone who CAN help you, or ask him WHY you cannot have an advance (last summer we had numerous recruits coming through the system and money was made available to them every weekend as the system could not pay them correctly). As far as I am aware you are entitled to an advance and the AO probably cannot be buggred to sort it.
If the AO cant help, ask your PC or Sgt for an interview with your OC.
 
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polar said:
You don't expect big companies to pay on time do you??? If you worked for a small two bit operation then you should not rely on pay, I've been in a company like that and its not good when pay doesn't come in on time...

Polar,

Difference is, I can walk out, and then sue the said Company for failure to pay. Which I've had the great delight in doing so and was it fun..:)

And oddly enough, I do expect to be paid by anybody when stated and for the amount promised. Failure to do so results in unhapy times. I've known contractors walk out, with the work they'd done in their pocket and sue.

And I'd go for a CO's interview, I'd expect a good CO would want to know about AO's not doing their job, since JPA does allow for either payment in cash (EPIC) or an advance of pay.
 
#18
All this moaning about JPA and pay. I'm not sure we should have blamed JPA?? It seems pay problems effected some units more than others, was this down to lack of pay staff training???

I don't rely on TA pay but the amount of (TA) time I put in last 1.5 will go towards the kids crimbo presents. So if it fails to turn next week, I'll be telling the kids Santa's been cancelled because of JPA.
 
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Why shouldn’t people rely on TA pay? Some of us loose out on weekend overtime or shifts in the hope we are compensated through our army pay! The days of everyone working dayshift Monday – Friday are long gone and the sooner the TA realise that the better. I could earn more but would have to work shifts, its my choice I know but I do look for my TA pay to make up the difference, it does that and I have personally have not had any problems so far but I do know of some not so fortunate. Besides all the its JPA , training or whatever excuse comes to hand is crap it is illegal to withhold an employees pay for hours worked regardless of status i.e. par-time, full-time or casual. Has anyone considered legal action, I know the army does not recognise trade unions however I am in one and it does give you as a paid member access to legal advice and the ability to take the MOD to court for monies owed.
 

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