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Where do I start my research??

#1
I'm trying to trace the military service of my grandfather, on my mother's side. All we know is that he served (and survived) WW1, he was born in Leeds (about 19 years old in 1914), and he served in a Yorkshire regiment. I need some advice, as most of the sites I go on charge for the information, and I could spend a lot of money, chasing details for the wrong person.

All help is appreciated. There is so little I know about him.
 
#3
You really need his service number and regiment.

Without this you will have a problem finding anything useful.

There were quite a few "Yorkshire Regiments". He could have joined:-

The Yorkshire Regiment
The Duke of Wellington’s Regiment
The West Yorkshire Regiment
The Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry
The York and Lancaster Regiment
The East Yorkshire Regiment

This is far from exhaustive as there are various Yorkshire cavalry and artillery units.

What is his surname? If it’s very unusual you might be able to find him, but not if it’s a common name.

Do you have any photographs that would help to narrow the list of suspects down?
 
#4
I think I have narrowed him down to one of 3 people on the 1901 census. The problem is the medal cards show quite a few William Marsh. I think it was the KOYLI he was in (my Mum remembers the nickname). I wonder what happened to his medals ??

It is fascinating trying though !! History unfolded !!. I know my son is very interested, now he is in the army, as that would make 4 generations of our family who have served.
 

oldbaldy

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#5
Your looking at two different things then?
Him on the census in 1901 & his military service.
If you have his date & place of birth have you tried a BMD search for him?
 
#6
Most of these records are in the Public Records Office at Kew. They do not deal with enquiries but will recommend to you a person that will undertake to look any thing up for at the princely sum of just £1.00 per minute, and you can guess just how they can run that bill up.
 
#7
RABC said:
I think I have narrowed him down to one of 3 people on the 1901 census. The problem is the medal cards show quite a few William Marsh. I think it was the KOYLI he was in (my Mum remembers the nickname). I wonder what happened to his medals ??

It is fascinating trying though !! History unfolded !!. I know my son is very interested, now he is in the army, as that would make 4 generations of our family who have served.
I appreciate this the Internet and you don't want to give away too much information, but if you haven't managed to identify him in the 1901 census, when he would be 5 yrs old and with his family, I don't think you have enough information to go to the MOD or to Kew.

If you have 3 candidates, you can easily kill off two of them with a little research - and it will be cheaper and quicker to do that on the Internet, rather than visit the FRC and Kew.

Litotes
 
#8
I assume that you mean these three?

Births Dec 1893 Marsh William Leeds 9b 397
Births Jun 1894 Marsh William Fern Leeds 9b 551
Births Dec 1894 Marsh William Leeds 9b 539

who are the only candidates from Leeds from 1894 to 1897.

Was he born in Leeds? Definitely?

Litotes
 

oldbaldy

LE
Moderator
#9
Name: William Marsh
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1893
Relation: Son
Father's name: Amos
Mother's name: Esther
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: St Edmund
Town: Leeds
Address: 12 Edmunds Street
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Name: William Marsh
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1894
Relation: Son
Father's name: William
Mother's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: Leeds St Peter
Town: Leeds
Address: 62 Stainburn Court (?) The image is difficult to read
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England


Either of these yours?
 
#11
@ oldbaldy

Thanks - he is this fella :

Name: William Marsh
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1893
Relation: Son
Father's name: Amos
Mother's name: Esther
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: St Edmund
Town: Leeds
Address: 12 Edmunds Street
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

I got this off the 1901 census records, but without a DOB, or army number, I'm not sure where to go next. Many thanks for allthe help everyone.
 
#13
Looked on Genesreunited (you owe me 9 credits :wink: )

William Marsh, born 9b 397 1893, is the only person of that name born in Leeds from April 1892 to the first quarter of 1894 (the 1901 census was taken on 31 March 1901, so to have been 8 years old he must have been born from April 1892-March 1893). Litotes has already given you the dates for later candidates. I don't understand the 9b numbers; perhaps someone can enlighten me.

If he was Amos and Esther's son, then someone put some details down wrong on the census return. In my family research, I have seen details, such as place of birth, change from one census to another, for someone who is plainly the same man (living in the same house, married to someone with the same name, with the same kids).
 

oldbaldy

LE
Moderator
#14
Litotes said:
Oldbaldy,

My data came from FreeBMD, but yours is more comprehensive!

Pray, tell me your source?

Litotes
Ancestry. I subscribe, so I have access to all census.
You want to know anything PM me :D

Like yourself I also use freeBMD.
 

oldbaldy

LE
Moderator
#15
angular said:
Looked on Genesreunited (you owe me 9 credits :wink: )

William Marsh, born 9b 397 1893, is the only person of that name born in Leeds from April 1892 to the first quarter of 1894 (the 1901 census was taken on 31 March 1901, so to have been 8 years old he must have been born from April 1892-March 1893). Litotes has already given you the dates for later candidates. I don't understand the 9b numbers; perhaps someone can enlighten me.

If he was Amos and Esther's son, then someone put some details down wrong on the census return. In my family research, I have seen details, such as place of birth, change from one census to another, for someone who is plainly the same man (living in the same house, married to someone with the same name, with the same kids).
9d is the volume number of the GRO the number immediately after is the page number.
Helps when you go to the local records office to look something up. :D
 

oldbaldy

LE
Moderator
#16
RABC said:
@ oldbaldy



I got this off the 1901 census records, but without a DOB, or army number, I'm not sure where to go next. Many thanks for allthe help everyone.
The Army number is difficult but not impossible. Remember at this time soldiers had a Regimental number and if they changed Regiments or Corps they were allocated a new number.

Have you tried the medal card route yet? That will have his number & Regt on it.
 
#17
There are 7 medal cards, that match the name and Regiment, but I still wont know if I have the right person ! All I have is an approximate date of birth. I wonder if the addresses were recorded when these guys signed up (and I bet a lot of the ages given were fibs)

Maybe I should try the regimenatl Museum.
 

oldbaldy

LE
Moderator
#18
The medal cards do not have an address on them only name Regts served, Regt numbers & medals earned. Sometimes the transcribers got it wrong, my grandfather had a very unusual christian name & it took me ages to find him because it had been spelt incorrectly.

There address were recorded though when they signed up. If your man was injured during the war he may have his medical record online later this year.
Only the As & Bs are online at the moment.
These medical records vary in how much detail they give, one of my great uncles has a very comprehensive record.
You could try asking on these sites, the users are very knowledeable:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,300.0.html

http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?s=9ae62b7cb734a5da5d3dfcabcbbb033e&act=idx

Good luck
 
#20
RABC said:
There are 7 medal cards, that match the name and Regiment, but I still wont know if I have the right person ! All I have is an approximate date of birth. I wonder if the addresses were recorded when these guys signed up (and I bet a lot of the ages given were fibs)

Maybe I should try the regimenatl Museum.
I remember reading that not only addresses, but height, eye colour, in fact a full medical description, were recorded. Someone was using the data to compare physical development, IIRC. I don't know where to find it, because none of my direct line served in WW1, so I haven't looked for it.
 

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