Where are your papers comrade?

#2
I agree that Labour need to go,but I am willing to wager that,regardless of the political hue of the next administration,none of this almost draconian legislation is ever repealed.
 
#3
It is indeed a severe blow to our civil liberties. It also shows the lie that Labour is peddling that ID card holders do not need to carry their card
 
#4
Sven said:
It is indeed a severe blow to our civil liberties. It also shows the lie that Labour is peddling that ID card holders do not need to carry their card
And you are surprised?

Do you and apparently many arrsers REALLY think or even believe the crap from liabor re. ID card.

God help us.
 
#5
"Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman Chris Huhne added: "This is potentially a catch-all power which would allow the police or the officials to arrest and hold anyone who was unable to prove their own identity."

Bless him, we already can, we don't need any new powers to do so. :lol: If you suspect someone of being an illegal immigrant or an overstayer we can arrest them already. Pity we didn't get JCDM, he might still be alive eh?

I mean, this is the same forum that readily mounts the outrage bus about uncontrolled immigation, isn't it?
 
#6
To be honest, i find this kind of thing to be sick, communist and totally against freedom.
The problem is that it aint just Labour. All our nations leaders and oppositions (not to mention the media) are bought and paid for by those few families who own the world banks.

I am military through and through, but sadly I see some day soon when anyone who joins the military or police force will be the enemies of their own people.

Take a look at the US..the "ULTIMATE" free nation. Already, 'law enforcement' has come to include 'Doctrine enforcement'. Peaceful protests which don't toe the New world Order line are violently smashed, resulting in deaths and illegal detentions of peaceful protestors and with mainstream media either spinning it so that unarmed demonstrators who stood their legally recognised ground were the "aggressors" against heavily armed police who actually attacked them or when an incident is so far beyond the joke that even the professional media spin-doctors can't come up with an angle, it is ignored completely!.

The Yanks already turn their national guard upon their people during "states of emergency"
The Brits can look forward to the same soon...a decent Psyop "Terrorist" attack will even gain the support of a small percentage of the population and the media will spin that into the majority.....So if you are against a regime of total civilian control...you must be a terrorist supporter!!

Anyway, i just ranted and i do recognise that a British military site is not the place for rants.

I am a soldier through and through. But I would never want to be one today. Instead of being defenders of our nation, the military has become pawns in a global chess game and something to be turned upon its own people when the time comes!

However, I really do believe that British forces are so good that the will mutinee before they turn on their own. I do not feel that any other military has that capability...the Yanks certainly don't!.
 
#7
Speedkuff said:
"Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman Chris Huhne added: "This is potentially a catch-all power which would allow the police or the officials to arrest and hold anyone who was unable to prove their own identity."

Bless him, we already can, we don't need any new powers to do so. :lol: If you suspect someone of being an illegal immigrant or an overstayer we can arrest them already. Pity we didn't get JCDM, he might still be alive eh?

I mean, this is the same forum that readily mounts the outrage bus about uncontrolled immigation, isn't it?
I think the angle here is it might not be just used for suspected illegal immigrants. (the same as anti terror laws are not used just for terrorists).
 
#8
Speedkuff said:
"Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman Chris Huhne added: "This is potentially a catch-all power which would allow the police or the officials to arrest and hold anyone who was unable to prove their own identity."

Bless him, we already can, we don't need any new powers to do so. :lol: If you suspect someone of being an illegal immigrant or an overstayer we can arrest them already. Pity we didn't get JCDM, he might still be alive eh?

I mean, this is the same forum that readily mounts the outrage bus about uncontrolled immigation, isn't it?
I think you're missing the point.

"Clauses in the draft Immigration and Citizenship Bill give state officials the power to make anyone who has ever entered the country, at any time, prove who they are without needing any suspicion of a potential crime."
 
#9
I take your point, poor reading skills from me but why not carry an ID card? If you're serving you carry one, lots of peeps carry different types of ID already for various things, don't quite see the hardship.

If it is passed or there's a requirement to carry & produce, the sheer volume of forgetful people alone will make it unworkable. And I imagine the cards will get forged, so it won't make a big security difference but I don't have a problem with carrying one m'self just so long as I don't have to pay for it.
 
#10
indeed what is the problem.
show your papers.
what freedom is lost.
the freedom to have your identity nicked.
the freedom to defraud benefits by claiming as different folk.
the freedom to illegally be in the country.
the freedom to have some chav use your stolen cheque book or cc.
fine.
you already give the govt your identity and location by using store cards,cedit cards and bloody mobile phones.
you prove identity by showing id such as passport,credit garentee card,utility bill.
its a wonder UK isnt full of illegals,bombers,and crims nicking identities-oh hang on,it is.
 
#11
Speedkuff said:
I take your point, poor reading skills from me but why not carry an ID card? If you're serving you carry one, lots of peeps carry different types of ID already for various things, don't quite see the hardship.

If it is passed or there's a requirement to carry & produce, the sheer volume of forgetful people alone will make it unworkable
. And I imagine the cards will get forged, so it won't make a big security difference but I don't have a problem with carrying one m'self just so long as I don't have to pay for it.
You could say the same thing about car tax disks. Or MOD90's , but we still manage to update/carry them, 'cos we know that if we don't we're in the sh1t.

I think this may even be a cynical attempt to introduce another stealth tax, as mentioned in the article, failure to produce documents could result in up to a 5k fine or prison.

I myself do have a problem with carrying an I.D card, I carry a MOD90 and an F/IDENT/189 'cos I choose to be in the Army, a driving licence because I choose to drive and a passport when I choose to travel.

That is a whole different ball game to being forced to carry your I.D for inspection by the stasi or face jail.
 
#12
Also, The government and media have told us for sure and keep on telling us that Islam is an enemy to our freedom. So it is quite legit to bomb the sh1t out of them. Then the Muslims seem quite keen to actually prove this as fact.

So I ask anyone reading this, this question: " The Muslims have proven that they will do anything to promote their view of this world. They will blow themselves up, force their women, children and handicapped to blow themselves up too. They worship God with a gun and their religion says that death and destruction is the way to become close to God. Then, if that wasn't enough, we blow the living cr4p out of them, destroy their way of life, kill family members and try to enforce a system of government upon them which each and everyone will reject and be happy to blow themselves up if it means taking a single "infidel" with them.
THEN.....our governments flood our nations with "refugees" from the very countries we are destroying.
But if we object..we are racist!!. But amongst these "refugees" there are certainly "terrorists" too...So we must give up freedoms for our own protection!.
IF THIS IS NOT TREASON, THEN NOTHING IS!
Think about it..go to war with a group, destroy their way of life, enforce a system of government upon them which they despise, THEN...let loads of them come and live in your country!!!...even supply them with inflated amounts of grants, free housing and dole money, so that they don't have to work and can concentrate on revenge.

THERE IS NO GREATER ENEMY AGAINST GREAT BRITAIN TODAY THAN THE GOVERNMENT, OPPOSITION, BANKING AND BOUGHT AND PAID FOR MEDIA.
WAKE UP GREAT BRITAIN.


The day that there is a military coup in GB is the day that i return to volounteer.

Saint George aint dead yet, but by feck, he is feeling very poorly right now!
 

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#13
Police and immigration officers will be able to stop Britons and demand they prove their identity
Officers will also be able to hold someone until they meet the requirements and can even demand a medical examination, although that will be more targeted at foreign nationals arriving from countries with high health risks of contagious diseases.
So what? This happens already. You have to prove who you are upon entry.

This is potentially a catch-all power which would allow the police or the officials to arrest and hold anyone who was unable to prove their own identity.
Refusing to hand over the necessary documents would be a criminal offence

It already is an offence, and if you are unable to produce a valid, genuine and satisfactory proof of your nationality and identuity, and have no valid reason for this, you can be jailed (although this is highly unlikely for EEA nationals).

I must have missed something here, but this is only marginally different from the current on-entry powers of the Border Agency Officers and Police. Sounds like panic mongery to me.
 
#14
Officers will also be able to hold someone until they meet the requirements and can even demand a medical examination, although that will be more targeted at foreign nationals arriving from countries with high health risks of contagious diseases.
So what? This happens already. You have to prove who you are upon entry.

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Unless you of course shred your forged passport/exit visa in the 'jhon' between disembarkation and the imm. control desk then you can be who you want... jus like the internet...:wink:
 
#15
redmenacemedic said:
indeed what is the problem.
show your papers.
what freedom is lost.
the freedom to have your identity nicked.
the freedom to defraud benefits by claiming as different folk.
the freedom to illegally be in the country.
the freedom to have some chav use your stolen cheque book or cc.
fine.
you already give the govt your identity and location by using store cards,cedit cards and bloody mobile phones.
you prove identity by showing id such as passport,credit garentee card,utility bill.
its a wonder UK isnt full of illegals,bombers,and crims nicking identities-oh hang on,it is.
I am in two minds about ID cards. On the one hand I do not mind (in principle ) carrying a document that proves who I am; OTOH I doubt the ability of the government to get it right. The type of information stored would also matter, who had access to it and the circumstances for access.

If this was well run, secure and only contained our name, place/date of birth and biometric information I would be happy with it. Start including stuff like race/religion etc. I object.
 
#16
Indochine said:
Also, The government and media have told us for sure and keep on telling us that Islam is an enemy to our freedom. So it is quite legit to bomb the sh1t out of them. Then the Muslims seem quite keen to actually prove this as fact.

So I ask anyone reading this, this question: " The Muslims have proven that they will do anything to promote their view of this world. They will blow themselves up, force their women, children and handicapped to blow themselves up too. They worship God with a gun and their religion says that death and destruction is the way to become close to God. Then, if that wasn't enough, we blow the living cr4p out of them, destroy their way of life, kill family members and try to enforce a system of government upon them which each and everyone will reject and be happy to blow themselves up if it means taking a single "infidel" with them.
THEN.....our governments flood our nations with "refugees" from the very countries we are destroying.
But if we object..we are racist!!. But amongst these "refugees" there are certainly "terrorists" too...So we must give up freedoms for our own protection!.
IF THIS IS NOT TREASON, THEN NOTHING IS!
Think about it..go to war with a group, destroy their way of life, enforce a system of government upon them which they despise, THEN...let loads of them come and live in your country!!!...even supply them with inflated amounts of grants, free housing and dole money, so that they don't have to work and can concentrate on revenge.

THERE IS NO GREATER ENEMY AGAINST GREAT BRITAIN TODAY THAN THE GOVERNMENT, OPPOSITION, BANKING AND BOUGHT AND PAID FOR MEDIA.
WAKE UP GREAT BRITAIN.


The day that there is a military coup in GB is the day that i return to volounteer.

Saint George aint dead yet, but by feck, he is feeling very poorly right now!
you have forgot to take your little blue pills again haven't you?
 
#17
I am in two minds about ID cards. On the one hand I do not mind (in principle ) carrying a document that proves who I am; OTOH I doubt the ability of the government to get it right. The type of information stored would also matter, who had access to it and the circumstances for access.

If this was well run, secure and only contained our name, place/date of birth and biometric information I would be happy with it. Start including stuff like race/religion etc.
Exactly :roll:
though I object in principle to carrying an ID card one thing if I need to prove my ID. another thing if mooching about a state offical demands my id :x
which unfortunatly there is a nasty case of authoritarianism in this country peaceful protesters done under anti terrorism laws councils using serious crime laws to spy on people who may be in the wrong catchment area.
I could see my council demanding id to use sports centers and libraries so it could build up a profile of customers :x
followed swiftly of closing of my local facilities as they aren't used by a wide ethnic group :twisted: BECAUSE ITS BRIGHTON YOU ****HEADS its just not that ethnically diverse no matter how much you bang on about it .
 
#18
Works ok in Germany, France, Belgium, Holland. If a chav traveller gets stopped by the law and has no i.d. they get deported to the u.k.........hmmm.
 
#19
Unbelievable some of the posts here. From military people too.
Riddle me this, you accepters of the nanny-state, of draconian anti-freedom measures.
Wasn't it your grandparents that fought and died to preserve the very freedoms you 'so what' about now?
Didn't their sacrifices mean anything to you supporters of Open Prison UK?
Do you really need reminding of the millions that died, and for what if not to keep our Country free?

Is it that you think you have nothing to hide so you don't have anything to fear? Think it's ok because at the moment it affects them and not you? Well you know where that's going don't you? And when it is your turn there will be no-one left to speak out for you. Wait till the system gets it wrong about you and your family and you are wrongly arrested, or accused, or shot to death on a train by blameless gunmen holding an 'honest belief' that you were an immediate threat.

I can hardly believe this is still my Britain.


Fukc your ID cards. You can shove them where the sun don't shine..... And fukc you policemen and women that are prepared to carry out these outrages against British Subjects in their own country.
There will be a reckoning soon, I'm sure of it and welcome the day.
God Save Queen and Country.
 
#20
Chuffit said:
Unbelievable some of the posts here. From military people too.
Riddle me this, you accepters of the nanny-state, of draconian anti-freedom measures.
Wasn't it your grandparents that fought and died to preserve the very freedoms you 'so what' about now?
Didn't their sacrifices mean anything to you supporters of Open Prison UK?
Do you really need reminding of the millions that died, and for what if not to keep our Country free?

Is it that you think you have nothing to hide so you don't have anything to fear? Think it's ok because at the moment it affects them and not you? Well you know where that's going don't you? And when it is your turn there will be no-one left to speak out for you. Wait till the system gets it wrong about you and your family and you are wrongly arrested, or accused, or shot to death on a train by blameless gunmen holding an 'honest belief' that you were an immediate threat.

I can hardly believe this is still my Britain.


Fukc your ID cards. You can shove them where the sun don't shine..... And fukc you policemen and women that are prepared to carry out these outrages against British Subjects in their own country.
There will be a reckoning soon, I'm sure of it and welcome the day.
God Save Queen and Country.
Amen to that. When we live in a state that is happy to use anti-terror legislation to make sure you are using your bins properly, or to suspend the international funds of a soverign state, where do they draw the line? Why should a copper be allowed to stop me from going about my daily buisness just to see who I am? Will he then want to take my prints or a DNA sample just to make sure?
 

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