Where are our LSWs?

hi, im from essex ACF and was wondering where exactly have our LSWs gone. have heard many rumers such as gone to TA and REGs, or confiscated.

is there anyone who can enlighten me on the situation as i am supposed to be doing Star3 SAA on annual. (so would it be the same as Star 2 on GP?)


In the words of Captain Mainwaring "There's a war on don't you know" The British Army is actively engaged in two major campaigns,try watching the news or reading some of the posts on here!The ACF is probably quite low on the list of priorities at the MOD right now.Be patient your time will come.
dont get me wrong guys, i'm not having a rant or anything, just wondering what the situation is. if the acf had to send away the majority of the GPs to the Army im sure there would be those of us who would be glad that they are helping the Army. (just as long as they are returned)
Am sure one day when the actvities out east are over we may get some back but let's not worry too much about it, yes jolly good fun to fire off several hundred rounds at camp and to do three star and all but the economic realities of life mean that there ain't enough to go round and there may never be. In my days as a cadet we got to use LMG's maybe once in four years.........
Why are you remotely bothered about LSW's anyway? Shoddy weapon systems hopelessly outdated when compared to the Minime and a general pain in the arse... A Support weapon fed by magazine - come off it!!
just fly to USA, there is loads of turn and shoot stores , pick an M16, AK74, hell even an GPMG and make a pile of Empty Brass, Florida is good for that.
Cowhead said:
Why are you remotely bothered about LSW's anyway? Shoddy weapon systems hopelessly outdated when compared to the Minime and a general pain in the arse... A Support weapon fed by magazine - come off it!!

Amen brother.
yeh but what is the chance of the ACF ever getting a Minimi ( somewhere around -100) wouldnt mind the old M60 though
All the lad did was ask a question then all the big men set in with the abuse. WHY??? Does it make you feel superior to a lad who at least isn't wandering the streets looking for vandalism targets. One day he'll probably be a squaddie, I hope he has a different attitude to the other posters on this thread.
Cadet forces wont be getting them back!
Im guessing access will only be through CTT.
3 SAA can be done on tgt rifle.
Or at a push on the GP with a skill pass

To add: the LSW is the test all serving cadets wish to pass so they can fire an automatic weapon with live/blank ammunition.
For cadets this is a very big thing!

Question is... do the ACF really need them? Good for a giggle but they aren't that important.

LSW isn't a bad weapon for what it was designed for.
just back from camp, we actually had use of at least 6 LSWs for the 2 week duration of camp, provided by some of our affiliated regiments, they are out there its a matter for the qm to find them and ask for them.

as for the minimi comment fair one, it may be better to use, but the LSW is fine for its role in the cadet forces and im sure that the MOD would not be too willing to pay for a week long conversion course(and associated costs) for the 1500+ adults to be able to teach the minimi to the cadets where its not really needed
And the Cadet Forces need LSW's because?

In my experience LSW's are there for the cunts among the AI's to hijack and do the obligatory John Rambo impression with.
LOL, when I was on TELIC (Iraq) there were not enough Minime's to go round let alone LSW's, aint no way you guy's are getting them yet, as for the LSW, well if you can get your hands on em good luck to ya.


I think it went wrong when the ACF/CCF were issued with a weapon that was similar to the real forces. For what they do with it, a .22 target rifle would be sufficient.

The GP is no good (with that cocking lever!!!!), and assault rifles should be guarded.

Cadets have NO actual requirement for anything other than a target rifle.

Certainly not for LSW, Minimi or anything else.

If a unit wishes to treat the cadets by sending some of the more sexy hardware their way during camp or similar then fair play.
Praetorian said:
And the Cadet Forces need LSW's because?
your right we dont actually need them,
come to think of it we dont need the target rifles either or the cadet GP rifle or the number 8 rifle, we could do all of our shooting with air rifles!

The acf recently reduced the joining age to 12, our sylabus is designed to last approximately 3 and a half years worth of training, so effectively cadets now have an extra year for us to find something to do with them, we find it hard enough to keep senior cadets interested some of the time, so i would say lets not try and reduce the sylabus by removing things from it.

oh and re your comment about adults hijacking them, i agree 100%, just back from annual camp yesterday and i was running the fieldcraft package, with nearly every squad that came through we used the squad adults as enemy, and about 50% of them kept asking for an LSW, and all of them got a big eff off because the kids get them!!

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