When should the TA be compulsory mobilised?

#1
Given the proposed change to increase the TA and give it more roles on Ops.

Question. Do we want a TA that will mobilise at the drop of a hat.

I don't think this is a simple question because traditionally we have had the mighty word if afterwards.

Original TA: Mobilisation only if the UK was threatened in UK home defence

Ver 2 (1914): Overseas duties anywhere in the empire including Ireland. Which went down badly 20-30% of the TF refused to serve overseas because it included Ireland (It would have been too damn simple to ask the TA to fight the hun and not complicate things with policing/fighting it's own population - plus the original 1914 plan intended to replace all regulars in other parts of the empire and not let the TA fight the hun ...)

Ver 7 (1920-1939) We fight the hun....... yaaaa! (Wisely decided to not include Ireland - erm independance? or India in the terms)

Ver 1022123: (1945-1999) We mobilise if our NATO allies or the UK is threatened

Ver 123123123123: (2000- ) We go virtually anywhere but .... voluntarily (we did the Boer war this way)

So should we have terms on what we can be called up to do? e.g. Any threat to UK/EU ... Anything NATO/UN is regular and voluntary only, the EU/UK implies mass support so choice is unescessary, possibly extended to humanitarian aid..
Possibly different rules for different cap badges - medics always compulsory?
 
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swampmonster

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#2
"Ver 123123123123: (2000- ) We go virtually anywhere but .... voluntarily (we did the Boer war this way)"

Yes please, just used up the last of the cash from the last one :eek:)
 
#7
Whenever we're required.

With suitable statutory protection to ensure that we'll have jobs to come back to and suitable financial incentives to ensure we'll be able to have jobs in the first place.

Although I'll note the only employer to ever eff me off at the high port for mobilising was an Army Lt Col on a MoD project. If we (corporate) can't manage it, who is going to bother?
 
#9
Whenever we're required.

With suitable statutory protection to ensure that we'll have jobs to come back to and suitable financial incentives to ensure we'll be able to have jobs in the first place.

Although I'll note the only employer to ever eff me off at the high port for mobilising was an Army Lt Col on a MoD project. If we (corporate) can't manage it, who is going to bother?
MoD? Don't believe it!!!

Do your people have employer issues or is the culture supportive?
 
#10
Whenever we're required.

With suitable statutory protection to ensure that we'll have jobs to come back to and suitable financial incentives to ensure we'll be able to have jobs in the first place.

Although I'll note the only employer to ever eff me off at the high port for mobilising was an Army Lt Col on a MoD project. If we (corporate) can't manage it, who is going to bother?

Whenever we are required fullstop. No Caveats, no nice to haves. We may be part time soldiers, but soldiers we are with a fulltime call up liability.
 
#11
Whenever we are required fullstop. No Caveats, no nice to haves. We may be part time soldiers, but soldiers we are with a fulltime call up liability.
Are you
A) Working for the Govt/council
B) Unemployed
C) In a job you don't like doing

If you are that commited, as has been said often enough by regular army types, why not join full time?

Family, work, TA. Ring any bells Dr Fox?
 
#12
Are you
A) Working for the Govt/council
B) Unemployed
C) In a job you don't like doing

If you are that commited, as has been said often enough by regular army types, why not join full time?

Family, work, TA. Ring any bells Dr Fox?
The Secretary of State thanks you for your correspondance.
 
#13
Are the TA still reserves now that they are relied upon in order to keep current ops running smoothly?

My understanding of a reserve is something you don't use unless the wheel comes off and you have to replace something regularly used.

For example my cars spare tyre is a reserve. If I regularly took off one of my tyres and replaced it with the spare I wouldn't see it as a spare anymore I'd see it as one of the main tyres which is worrying because if I get a blow out then I'm in shit street.

So in response to the thread. The TA should only really be deploying when the regular forces are struggling to cope and if they're struggling to cope the reserves should only fill in until such time further regulars can be trained up and strengths built up to sufficient levels.

This idea should not prevent volunteers mobilising themselves and providing the regular army with surplus numbers during enduring operations or placing themselves on a high readyness reserve list as BCR's.
 

Flight

LE
Book Reviewer
#14
Compulsory mobilisation across the board would make most of the TA unemployable. Add to that financial incentives, which at present would make the TA remarkably unattractive, and you have a big problem. There is enough moaning from the regs as it is ( where only those who are motivated and have to jump through hoops get to go).

Back in the day you had the ever readies. TA troops, often but not always in specialist units, who were paid quite a large bonus to be deployed at short notice. My Dad reckoned it was enough to buy a mini ( his first car ) with.

For something like this to happen though the regs would have to give us access to the kit to train on and individual units would have to specialise to a greater extent. 2 weeks camp would not be sufficient and fitness would have to be maintained to a high standard.
 
#15
I think this question should not be answered by regulars or TA. It needs to be clear definition of where and how to the TA will be used set out by employers, which gives employer support from the onset. I think more support from society also follows.

The whole area needs review, we have ta soldiers having to sign hrr contracts for uk ops, so they can used.
 
#16
How do the Yanks do it?
Guard units train in the US Army's ARFORGEN cycle, and are given advanced notice of deployment - the unit I was with had 5 years to transform into a new role, and be prepared to deploy at Bn level to do whatever job the Army wants them to do.

To be honest, its a model I would support - enough time to plan and prepare your life, deploy with your mates, and train in-role with a specific end goal.
 
#17
Guard units train in the US Army's ARFORGEN cycle, and are given advanced notice of deployment - the unit I was with had 5 years to transform into a new role, and be prepared to deploy at Bn level to do whatever job the Army wants them to do.

To be honest, its a model I would support - enough time to plan and prepare your life, deploy with your mates, and train in-role with a specific end goal.
Five years notice to deploy or re-role? One is much more ridiculous than the other but I'd like you to clarify before I remind you this would be scoffed at.
 

Grumblegrunt

LE
Book Reviewer
#18
again though if TA took on the armoured role but used the US classroom simulator model the yanks do along with ivis then we maintain capability while reducing the risks of deployment as its unlikely we are going to have a git big tank battle anytime soon.

infantry wise the mtds will allways get abused for mess dos and days down the pub but if they did the full basic training again as per the guard model then you have someone commit to 16 weeks of basic inf training plus trade courses while they are young then its just a matter of topping it up and you get something worthwhile provided you can stop the sncos from dicking it up.

they should link bounty to a pension top up credit to encourage participation.

also using the soviet model you can up the quantity of regular officers and senior ranks so they can be detached to administer the reserve unit and be up to speed so back to tanks you can have a rank heavy brigade which can be split into two with joint exercises to integrate socially and militarily to stamp out the 'stab' bollocks.

I noticed often that many ex regs couldnt hack the TA lifestyle of work your arse off with no sleep for a weekend then back to work on monday morning unless they were unemployed. It used to be strange when attached, talking to the regs about doing 2 weeks basic training of 18 hour days and being required to match up to everything except fancy drill. the regular army has no idea at all about the TA, how it works or the dedication of its members. the common assumption was that they could leave the army if they didnt make lance jack by three years and join the TA to make instant sgt.

commonise the training and they have no excuse to insult the TA for being soft.

one interesting fact from the last war was reserve officers and volunteers often ended up in the special units or in the thick of it while the regulars stayed at the back collecting rank and medals while making sure they got any glory going and could lay blame when it went wrong.

I dont agree with the cuts but we could do what we do do a lot better.
 

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