When benefits and food banks just ain’t enough

I don't understand the point of reviews for certain conditions. The other half's late son had Muscular Dystrophy. That was only going one way and yet every year a medic had to certify that he wasn't getting better. Documents to justify the lack of improvement had to be completed by him in person at the Post Office.

Cruel, senseless, expensive to the taxpayer and meaningless for assessing his entitlements.

He died aged 26. Surely that was hard enough without bureaucrats adding to it.
I go through this whole pointless review process regularly supporting a mate with paranoid schizophrenia. He's fine as long as he takes his med's but with the best will in the world there is no way he is employable, he has a definitive diagnosis and it's never going to go away. Every reviewing officer has agreed that not only is the review pointless but the inherent stress of the review process is counter productive to his mental stability. There should be some sort of statutory tool to filter out people with life long disabilities if only to save time and money.
 
I go through this whole pointless review process regularly supporting a mate with paranoid schizophrenia. He's fine as long as he takes his med's but with the best will in the world there is no way he is employable, he has a definitive diagnosis and it's never going to go away. Every reviewing officer has agreed that not only is the review pointless but the inherent stress of the review process is counter productive to his mental stability. There should be some sort of statutory tool to filter out people with life long disabilities if only to save time and money.
It could be because some people are trying to blag the system.
 
It would be nice if all the people who died shortly after being denied disability benefits could post on here.
As part of my current role I sometimes see PIP appeals files. There are cases where you feel genuinely aghast that someone's benefits were stopped - some of those cases beggar belief and people are experiencing extreme hardship (having to sell nearly everything they posses, even down to their wedding rings, to survive).
Other appellants can present with no verified medical condition but report that they are unable to walk far, do physical work, etc. In other cases, appellants cite mental health issues - anxiety is a common one - and say they cannot leave the house. Well, paying someone benefits because they won't leave their home is as wrong as witholding them from someone who is ill.
The DWP assessment process seems a blunt / cheap tool and the number of appeals the system generates is testament to its utility. If the government had a thorough medical assessment system the benefits review process would work and the time consuming and expensive fallout of people in genuine need losing benefits would cease.
On the flip side, there are cases of people expecting PIP because they can't face the real world of work and effort.
 
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I go through this whole pointless review process regularly supporting a mate with paranoid schizophrenia. He's fine as long as he takes his med's but with the best will in the world there is no way he is employable, he has a definitive diagnosis and it's never going to go away. Every reviewing officer has agreed that not only is the review pointless but the inherent stress of the review process is counter productive to his mental stability. There should be some sort of statutory tool to filter out people with life long disabilities if only to save time and money.
Totally agree, Doctors/Specialists know their paitents, so why do the DWP insist that in some cases a Nurse who may or may not have experience of an indiviual illness be it physical/mental health. Plus that statement the person states at the end "The decision is not mine" correct BUT the Decision Maker goes on their report and not the highly specialist Dr/Specialist reports that in some cases goes from birth. Why must we put our most vunerable at risk when goverments waste much more than any DLA/PIP payment could ever.
Rant over at least your mate has your support and the support of like minded
 
As part of my current role I sometimes see PIP appeals files. There are cases where you feel genuinely aghast that someone's benefits were stopped - some of those cases beggar belief and people are experiencing extreme hardship (having to sell nearly everything they posses, even down to their wedding rings, to survive).
Other appellants can present with no verified medical condition but report that they are unable to walk far, do physical work, etc. In other cases, appellants cite mental health issues - anxiety is a common one - and say they cannot leave the house. Well, paying someone benefits because they won't leave their home is as wrong as witholding them from someone who is ill.
The DWP assessment process seems a blunt / cheap tool and the number of appeals the system generates is testament to its utility. If the government had a thorough medical assessment system the benefits review process would work and the time consuming and expensive fallout of people in genuine need losing benefits would cease.
On the flip side, there are cases of people expecting PIP because they can't face the real world of work and effort.
So people with severe mental health issues are not worthy in your view?
Austistic Aspergers just for 2 very limiting conditions.
Why are you reviewing PIP case notes? Also with your view you are part of the problem. The DWP should employ you, just think you could get well paid to fuel your stupidity and lack of mental health knowledge
Well done you
 
So people with severe mental health issues are not worthy in your view?
Austistic Aspergers just for 2 very limiting conditions.
Why are you reviewing PIP case notes? Also with your view you are part of the problem. The DWP should employ you, just think you could get well paid to fuel your stupidity and lack of mental health knowledge
Well done you
I don't review files. I don't make decisions about PIP or influence decisions.
Noted re. your other points.
Are you suggesting that no one tries to abuse the system?
 
I don't review files. I don't make decisions about PIP or influence decisions.
Noted re. your other points.
Are you suggesting that no one tries to abuse the system?
No I'm not and have first hand experience of those who abuse the sysytem. But mental health can be disabling and is called an 'Invisible Disability' no one knows someones mental health history except the paitent and the trained medics. Also lack of medical eviedence is not an automatic award for disability payments. My error you claim you see PIP files in your previous post, easy error when a statement like yours makes someone very angry who has watched family very close family lose the battle to live and is still watching another who is close to joining that number. Do not join the ranks of those who dismiss mental health as a con, that unit is already oversubscribed
 
Yes the refusal of PIP ends a current DLA no matter if its a short or life award. So one decision decides that a claimant has a disability,then dismiss that decision as if the didability is no longer exists

Not trying to start an argument, just for clarification and information.
Does DLA payment stop if the initial PIP claim is refused? Even before mandatory Reconsideration or Appeal are decided?
 
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No I'm not and have first hand experience of those who abuse the sysytem. But mental health can be disabling and is called an 'Invisible Disability' no one knows someones mental health history except the paitent and the trained medics. Also lack of medical eviedence is not an automatic award for disability payments. My error you claim you see PIP files in your previous post, easy error when a statement like yours makes someone very angry who has watched family very close family lose the battle to live and is still watching another who is close to joining that number. Do not join the ranks of those who dismiss mental health as a con, that unit is already oversubscribed
Apologies.
I did not intend to reflect upon anyone connected with you. I will not bore you with details but my Dad has similar issues, long - term. It is not easy for him or those around him. You may be in a similar position and I sympathise fwiw.
The PIP review tool is a blunt instrument but there are people who exploit the system and the point you make about some mental health conditions being hard to demonstrate / prove is a fair one, but is equally why the system can be abused.
It is a rubbish / poorly resourced system.
 
Not trying to start an argument, just for clarification and information.
Does DLA payment stop if the original PIP claim is refused? Even before mandatory Reconsideration or Appeal are decided?
It did in my sons case so I would say yes. Plus you do not get any payment untill a Tribunal award in your favour. Nearly a year in my sons case
 
Apologies.
I did not intend to reflect upon anyone connected with you. I will not bore you with details but my Dad has similar issues, long - term. It is not easy for him or those around him. You may be in a similar position and I sympathise fwiw.
The PIP review tool is a blunt instrument but there are people who exploit the system and the point you make about some mental health conditions being hard to demonstrate / prove is a fair one, but is equally why the system can be abused.
It is a rubbish / poorly resourced system.
No argument on that. The whole benefit system like the NHS is out of date, and it is also a easy target for savings as no one likes to see others getting 'it for free' so if someone never needs benefits or has a close relative dependant on it their view will be tainted and will support a heavy hand. Not saying you are in that number I suspect you are not by your Dads experience. Mental health is a ticking time bomb and not long left on the clock.

Have a virtual beer on me
 
Totally agree, Doctors/Specialists know their paitents, so why do the DWP insist that in some cases a Nurse who may or may not have experience of an indiviual illness
Doctors & nurses want a quiet life and aren't prepared for Chavvy McChav to threaten them when the medical staff think they are blagging.
 
There should be some sort of statutory tool to filter out people with life long disabilities if only to save time and money.
I've been saying that for years.
That and if a disabled person can do a small part of a job for a percentage of the wage, and a firm can accommodate it, they should. Not to get cheap labour but to make people feel worthwhile.
 
Simply not a problem.


What are “o” levels for if not smugly annoying CSE thickoes?
Showing you have the intelligence to interact with people without demeaning them?
 

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