Wheel out the Common Wealth

#1
This is something I once discussed with an Aussie in Iraq….

Wouldn't a Common Wealth Div be Brilliant? A UK Bde, an ANZAC Bde and a Canadian Bde. The only dramas would be the willingness of the Kiwis to play (although maybe they would with the old team) and the ability of the Cannucks to field a Bde. In general the colonies are more willing to mix it than our useless NATO/EUROFOR neighbours (Luxembourg? Belgium? What for?). Also, I've worked with both Kiwis (Bosnia) and Aussies (Iraq) and liked what I saw. I've not come across the Canadians but they have a good track record and they certainly look the part in Afghanistan. Yank free fun - bring it on!

As an aside I can't help but think that the Indians could bring a bit to the party. Like a spare Corps or two. They appear to run a sort of British Army circa 1950 thing, which can only be good. And they have some blinding moustaches.
 
#2
Hear Hear!

The only trouble that I can see is the problem we'd have in deploying and sustaining anything LIKE a Bde on an extended Op. Both for reasons of capability but also (& more significantly) a govt that loves wrapping itself in the flag and running khaki elections, but completely unwilling to risk deployments with significant casualties.

Good idea though .....
 
#3
Not a bad idea, we could start the old 28 Commonwealth Brigade again.

http://www.regiments.org/formations/uk-bde/bde028.htm

But bigger.

A bit unfair abot Luxembourg. They only have a battalion ish.

The Luxembourg Army is under civilian control. The country has no navy or air force. A 1967 law made the army an all-volunteer force with current strength of approximately 430 professional soldiers, about 340 enlisted recruits, and 110 civilians. A 2002 law now allows EU citizens, under certain conditions, to join the Luxembourg Army.


In 2005 Luxembourg spent approximately $310 million on defense, or about 0.85% of GDP. Luxembourg has participated in the European Corps (EUROCORPS) since 1994 and has contributed troops to UNPROFOR, IFOR, SFOR, and KFOR missions in the former Yugoslavia. Presently Luxembourg has one officer serving in Bosnia with SFOR and a 26-person reconnaissance platoon deployed in Kosovo as its contribution to KFOR. Luxembourg also has nine soldiers in Afghanistan integrated into the Belgian forces deployed there. Luxembourg continues to take part in EU and NATO sponsored missions in Africa. Luxembourg has committed to sending a team of de-mining experts to participate in UNIFIL in Lebanon. Defense had a budget of $252,142,300 in 2004. Luxembourg has participated in the European Corps (EUROCORPS) since 1994 and has contributed troops to the UNPROFOR, IFOR, and KFOR missions in the former Yugoslavia. It has also participated with a small contingent in the NATO SFOR mission in Bosnia and currently participates in the NATO ISAF mission in Afghanistan. Luxembourg financially supported international peacekeeping missions during the 1991 Gulf War and in Rwanda and Albania and has provided humanitarian aid to Iraq. The army also has participated in humanitarian relief missions such as setting up refugee camps for Kurds and providing emergency supplies to Albania.
The LO in Bosnia lives in a 5* hotel in the town!!!

With 36 men deployed out of a possible 770.
 
#4
The Luxembourg Army is under civilian control. The country has no navy or air force. A 1967 law made the army an all-volunteer force with current strength of approximately 430 professional soldiers, about 340 enlisted recruits, and 110 civilians. A 2002 law now allows EU citizens, under certain conditions, to join the Luxembourg Army.
Right, I'm off! Do their rations include waffles? :wink:
 
#5
Nice idea, one small problem, how would Indian, Australian, Canadian and NZ troops feel about being bossed about by a bunch of Brits again? Small matter of Gallipoli, Vimy Ridge and Dieppe springs to mind. (Can't particular think of any dramas with the very wonderful Indian army though (don't mention the mutiny) so we might have a very nice time with them. I can almost taste the gin and tonics now...
 
#6
Two solutions:

1) Have a combined staff. GOC need not be a Brit. Contributing nations could take turns in key HQ appointments.

2) We just dust off the monocles and pith helmets and get the colonials in our icy grip.

Option 2 probably wouldn't wash with our plucky allies.

How about the Div consisting of 3 x combined Bdes? Better for integration (though not G4) and would lead to some top postings. Mmmm - a British BG in Oz.

HM the Q would f*cking love it.

We could lob in a Ghurkha Bn to give it a real "halcyon days" feel. This would be brilliant. Sod NATO - bring back the might of the Commonwealth/Empire. We would be the daddies.

I'm so excited!
 
#7
I'm game on! Give G2 and G6 to the Aussies; G4 to the Kiwis (and the ceremonial hakka); G1 to Canada; G8 to India... menial stuff like G3 and G5 to the Brits. Sounds like a plan.
 
#8
choc-frog, I had to read your bit on the Luxembourg Army twice.

The Luxembourg Army is under civilian control. The country has no navy or air force.
I initially thought it was about the British armed forces........
 
#9
Have you seen that "femme" in the last photo on Random_Task's link?

Crikey.

Mind you, when I have worked alongside the Aussies they provided some stunning "shelias".

This Commonwealth thing has no negative points that I can see...

And imagine the sauce-ups that we could have! Barbies, moose milk etc.
 

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#10
While we are about it can we turn the Common Wealth into a Free Trade Assoc and withdraw gracefully from the 'Festung Europa' (remain in the EFTA)
 
#11
sknn

I thought exactly the same when we had that idiotic referendum in '75. What a trading bloc that would be and with "family". It might have been an incentive to some of the African countries to get (or keep) their s**t in one sock, as well. I think we've already p**ed on our chips with that one, though.

A Commonwealth Div certainly does have an instant appeal. If the Pakistanis could be persuaded to join in, what a plus that would be. As regards leadership, why not the most able that any of the contingents could offer? It could still be tasked from the UK.
 
#12
I always liked that sort of idea, makes more sense than any variation on the EU army. For a start, we'd all speak English. For second, the Commonwealth countries all seem to have similar and compatable military traditions.

Though what about the India/Pakistan friction? Not exactly promising.
 
#13
Invictus_88 said:
I always liked that sort of idea, makes more sense than any variation on the EU army. For a start, we'd all speak English. For second, the Commonwealth countries all seem to have similar and compatable military traditions.

Though what about the India/Pakistan friction? Not exactly promising.
We'd also have an unbeatable rugby & cricket team.
 
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sknn said:
While we are about it can we turn the Common Wealth into a Free Trade Assoc and withdraw gracefully from the 'Festung Europa' (remain in the EFTA)
Even better than that, we can use the Commonwealth Bde to invade France and loot Paris. The Jerries could do the route signing.

I'm warming to this idea more and more
 
#17
Fred_Cat said:
I'm on. But can the Luxemburgers play too?
What about the South Africans? Or can they even field a capable brigade anymore?

Here's a better image of the Lux pic:



Here they are as KFOR. Black berets, Humvees and BDUs? Look like a US National Guard unit!

 
#18
interesting idea BedIn, for ops like peacekeeping (where all the commenwealth govs find common ground) it would be an excellent idea.

to take the idea a step further, i personaly would like to see the commonwealth develop as a global economical and military union.
i'll rather swap spit with our previous colonys and dominions than continue as we are with the EU, UN, or as 'best buddy' in the shurbs new world order.

once again edit for mong spelling and grammer. even then i bet i missed lots.
 

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#19
Aussies worked closely with us in Iraq, and were Top Geezers all round. They have good kit, are well motivated and trained, and, although slightly veering towards yankness in some ways (not surprising, given their recent - Vietnam - history) fitted perfectly well into MND(SE).

They had some cracking Sheilas, no doubt about that - even their Polad was nice :)
 
#20
For an army that is little under 1000 strong, they have a massive band!!!!
 

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