WhatsApp banned by MOD

Someone harvests the Tp SSgt's WhatsApp contact list (see the current story), uses that to find more targets to harvest more contact lists, and then uses that to build up a diagram of who is connected to whom and in what way. They then combine this with geographic information (see the previous thread on fitness tracking apps) to find their patterns of movement and observe them for changes which may indicate upcoming major events. This is the basic sort of work which every military intelligence organisation tries to gain, and there's no point in simply handing it to them on a platter.

Now that they know in detail who is connected to whom, you only need one person in that group to be careless in the field and you have your artillery strike inbound.
It’s a bit late to worry about that now, especially since we’ve been publishing the details of every officer commissioned for years. Why should we deny the availability of standard communication tools to someone that needs them for their day to day business?
 
Someone harvests the Tp SSgt's WhatsApp contact list (see the current story), uses that to find more targets to harvest more contact lists, and then uses that to build up a diagram of who is connected to whom and in what way. They then combine this with geographic information (see the previous thread on fitness tracking apps) to find their patterns of movement and observe them for changes which may indicate upcoming major events. This is the basic sort of work which every military intelligence organisation tries to gain, and there's no point in simply handing it to them on a platter.

Now that they know in detail who is connected to whom, you only need one person in that group to be careless in the field and you have your artillery strike inbound.
Sounds like a lot of effort wouldn't they just look at spy satellites or have intelligence on the ground?
 

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It’s a bit late to worry about that now, especially since we’ve been publishing the details of every officer commissioned for years. Why should we deny the availability of standard communication tools to someone that needs them for their day to day business?
Why help the adversary? Just as with chimps and sports trackers and geo tagging locations. You can make their job harder.
 
Sounds like a lot of effort wouldn't they just look at spy satellites or have intelligence on the ground?
Because, the detection, identification and possible interrogation of electronic devices is near real time and they present themselves (Especially if they are on your watch list), whereas those other methods require your sensors looking in the right place at the right time and the processing takes much longer.
 
Because, the detection, identification and possible interrogation of electronic devices is near real time and they present themselves (Especially if they are on your watch list), whereas those other methods require your sensors looking in the right place at the right time and the processing takes much longer.
Im assuming that someone may have told the security services this and so I would expect them to put a load of false signals out there if it really was a problem.
 
So you're saying that we need to remove all modern IS from anyone connected to Defence. Not just those Serving, but our families and friends, our associates and others in the community?

That'll do wonders for recruiting and retention then.
Maybe don't use your personal phone for business purposes and don't use your business phone for personal business? And have your business phones secured by IT personell who know something about security and have the data pass through private secure networks and servers, with proper encryption and complete audit trails?

You know just like private companies that handle sensitive personal and financial data do?
 
Maybe don't use your personal phone for business purposes and don't use your business phone for personal business? And have your business phones secured by IT personell who know something about security and have the data pass through private secure networks and servers, with proper encryption and complete audit trails?

You know just like private companies that handle sensitive personal and financial data do?
How many OR7s are issued work smart phones? And MOD uses Apple, who aren't to keen on you jailbbreaking them to establish third party monitoring. And a secure "properly encrypted" phone is a bit of overkill for a Tp SSgt organising a knock off parade.
 
It’s a bit late to worry about that now, especially since we’ve been publishing the details of every officer commissioned for years. Why should we deny the availability of standard communication tools to someone that needs them for their day to day business?
Nobody that I am aware of has said that modern communications tools should not be provided. I think the argument is that they should be provided in a secure fashion instead of people providing their own in an insecure fashion.
 
Im assuming that someone may have told the security services this and so I would expect them to put a load of false signals out there if it really was a problem.
While that may sound like a sensible defensive method, it is impractical for a number of reasons. Firstly the extra traffic, in a normally quiet area, would draw even more attention to the locale. Secondly, security in obscurity is not a valid tactic if the opponent already has the electronic fingerprint/profile of targets of interest. Thirdly, you couldn't replicate/simulate sufficient naturally behaving emitters to create the fog you're looking for.
 
Nobody that I am aware of has said that modern communications tools should not be provided. I think the argument is that they should be provided in a secure fashion instead of people providing their own in an insecure fashion.
Which isn't going to happen any more effectively than it is currently being done.
 
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