What's wrong with our Democracy

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by Taffd, Feb 28, 2012.

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  1. I'm moved to post by the 'How to get better leaders' thread but didn't want to digress there. I would like to see our democracy enhanced but before I can embark on such a discussion, feel the need to clarify what I think is wrong.

    I pose the question - what is the moral authority for our government to govern, other than 'This is the way we do things'?

    Political party membership accounts for less than 2% of the electorate. That is, all parties. By definition, they constitute a minority opinion.

    A minority of each party selects candidates for election. A minority of a minority.

    No MP is elected by a majority of their constituents, ie. 50% +1. The majority of people who vote, vote not for the candidate who gets elected. The majority of constituents do not vote.

    We therefore have a situation where a minority of a minority select a candidate, who is voted into office by a minority, ostensibly, on a manifesto that they are not obliged to honour.

    Furthermore, a minority of those elected form a govenment, 29 people, as it stands.

    And those 29 people make the rules that bind 70 million.

    I'd value your thoughts.
  2. Democracy is what's wrong with our democracy.
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  3. There is nothing wrong with "our Democracy". Democracy does not, and has never existed in our country. Something has to exist before there can be anything wrong with it.
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  4. The purest form of democracy is the "jury". The best way to introduce this random element as a working check and balance to the executive would be to have at least a third of the lords appointed by the jury system on fixed terms with financial compensation and legal job security etc. Members of political parties could be barred and really severe penalties for jury-nobbling etc. Whaddaya reckon?
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  5. Too many individuals and even country's within the UK now wanting to do their own thing, like Deltadog has just stated, Over indulgence of democracy can result in absolute disaster.
  6. Totally agree-all we have ever had is a big business dictatorship with pseudo-democratic pretentions.
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  7. Alternated with over arching Marxist trades union lunacy, leading a cynical Champagne socialist regime of pseudo-democratic thieves and social creepers.
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  8. Champagne socialists, Labour, Liberals, et al are merely screens behind which hide the international financiers/global big business mobsters.
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  9. Democracy-rule by the mob-means just that, the street mob, you and I get to choose whose boot goes onto the back of our necks.

    So who voted for the "LORDS"?

    Democracy is an egalitarian form of government in which all the citizens of a nation together determine public policy, the laws and the actions of their state, requiring that all citizens (meeting certain qualifications) have an equal opportunity to express their opinion. In practise, "democracy" is the extent to which a given system approximates this ideal, and a given political system is referred to as "a democracy" if it allows a certain approximation to ideal democracy. Although no country has ever granted all its citizens (i.e. including minors) the vote, most countries today hold regular elections based on egalitarian principles, at least in theory.
    The most common system that is deemed "democratic" in the modern world is parliamentary democracy in which the voting public takes part in elections and chooses politicians to represent them in a Legislative Assembly. The members of the assembly then make decisions with a majority vote. A purer form is direct democracy when the voting public makes direct decisions or participates directly in the political process. Elements of direct democracy exist on a local level and on exceptions on national level in many countries, though these systems coexist with representative assemblies.
    The term comes from the Greek word δημοκρατία (dēmokratía) "rule of the people",[SUP][1][/SUP] which was coined from δῆμος (dēmos) "people" and κράτος (kratos) "power", in the middle of the 5th-4th century BC to denote the political systems then existing in some Greek city-states, notably Athens following a popular uprising in 508 BC.[SUP][2][/SUP]
  10. I thought that might be the case. You mean like Scargill, Red Ken, the Socialist Workers Party, British Communist Party and all that lot?
  11. And . . .

    Who decided that this was the way it should be. Certainly not 'the people'.

    We're prepared to go to war to preserve the Falkland Islanders' 'right to self-determination' yet are denied, or deny ourselves that right.

    That is, to decide how we we are governed. A right that flows to 'peoples' and not to nations, nor governments. A right furthermore, which is enshrined in international law, to which we are signatories.
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  12. i think devolution has been good for scotland and think that england (or even regions in england) would benefit from this as well, so what would peoples feelings be on a federal style UK gov with regionally devolved parliaments?
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    Democracy-what democracy??

  14. There are still those deluded enough to believe that putting a little cross in a box on a piece of paper every few years actually makes a difference. The number of people who fall for this is declining, rapidly.
  15. The answers to this are the same as to the question in the other thread.