Whats the turnout like at your unit?

What kind of turnout would you expect for a company ex?

  • 75-100% of the unit strength.

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  • 50- 75% of the unit strength.

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  • 25-50% of the unit strength.

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  • Both of us.

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  • Just me.

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#1
#2
Hmmm, so far 10 out of 12 say that they'd expect less than a 50% turnout. Not good, especially if the unit isn't fully manned!

Does this sound like a true picture for your unit?

Where I am at present we are struggling both with recruitment and retention, and as if that's not bad enough, it's a struggle to get the people we have got to turn up for anything remotely strenuous!
 
#3
In our section of the sqn it is rare to have more than 3 guys absent from a training weekend
 
#4
God knows whats happened to my unit, every Tuesday we'll be lucky if there are anymore than 20 people turn up and thats on a good day, as for the weekends my god!! the last 2 shooting weekends I have been on there have been 4 people to show including myself.
 
#5
The Unit I'm currently with has no problems with attendance, this w/e we had 50 plus, mind you I am posted to an RTC!!!
 
#6
WE`re struggling, Tuesday attendence seldom breaks double figures, however, on the major FTX`s we field a good turnout.
Beats me what the answer is
 
#7
The_Kurgen said:
WE`re struggling, Tuesday attendence seldom breaks double figures, however, on the major FTX`s we field a good turnout.
Beats me what the answer is
The excuse that most of them seem to have come up with is that they are all back at college or uni so no longer have the time, the other half have all got their driving licences through the TA so have got what they want and can no longer be arsed, I think it's terrible.
 
#8
My troop considers itself busy if we can mange three ranks on first parade. Out of interest, what time do the rest of you train? We used to be a lot busier when we trained 20:00 - 22:00 than what we have been over the last year since we changed to 19:30 - 21:30. I know its only half an hour difference, but for some that half an hour extra means they can get home from work, enjoy their tea and still get to the TAC in uniform for first parade as opposed to thinking screw it, it's too much of a rush.
 
#9
GuybrushThreepwood said:
My troop considers itself busy if we can mange three ranks on first parade. Out of interest, what time do the rest of you train? We used to be a lot busier when we trained 20:00 - 22:00 than what we have been over the last year since we changed to 19:30 - 21:30. I know its only half an hour difference, but for some that half an hour extra means they can get home from work, enjoy their tea and still get to the TAC in uniform for first parade as opposed to thinking screw it, it's too much of a rush.
19.30 - 21.30 the thing is most of them all live just around the corner, I have to travel straight from work which is in London to the TAC in Suffolk and still make it, so there is no excuse really, the later it is the more time people have to get cosy in their gaffs and not bother to show a bit of effort and venture out into the cold.
 
#10
The 8pm start.....interesting, it obviously works there, how does it tie in with public transport, last bus an' all that?
 
#11
I don't know, I don't turn up :D
 
#12
Our TAC is about 10 minute walk to the main town bus station which has buses running out to the local cities (Birmingham, Wolverhampton) until the early hours, and we're 5 minutes from the train station. So in respect to the public transport there are no problems. We don't have that many that rely on public transport any more, they've either passed their tests or we have a lot of car sharing now.
 
#15
ben0239 said:
We normally get between 40 or 50 at our TA centre on our Tuesday evening, which is approx half of our unit strength.
the barracks im at are shared by 2 units

one is infantry the other is RLC

i have been in both in my time

the infantry on a good parade including all the recruits your looking at 8 people normally including the NCOs

the medics a bit better usually 12-15 including recruits and NCOs

although the infantry on a wary weekend can put down usually 3 people (im being serious i did every available weekend with them and it never exceeded 3 people)

the RLC lot about the same maybe a few more they dont like the FTX very much
 
#16
Not bad considering most of our weekends are pretty awful. I belong to a specialist unit and although everyone does far more the unit weekends are always in workshops catching up on manhours of other units. That would be fine it certainly justifies our units existance since it helps the overall budget.

However since almost everyones army trade is also their civvi trade and therefore practiced every day, I always believed that the 19 days unit training should be pure military. As they are very few soldiers seem to enjoy them in sharp contrast to those MATT, Skill at Arms and occassional training sessions like practicing for Cambrian patrol.

If a VM spends five days a week day in day out fixing engines does he really want to spend limited training time doing the same? Methinks most would prefer to see Copehill down and do something green.

Then perhaps attendance would be even better.

Cardinal
 
#17
Im not sure what my unit's full strength is, but we get about 60people on a Tuesday, and i hear that the fireworks/bonfire night was a good crack, i didnt turn up for that but i helped set it all up, with only 8 other volunteers!
As long as its cheap beer and free fireworks they dont mind if someone else does the graft!
 
#18
Our normal turnout is 2/3 Recruits, 3/4 Sigs, 2 Sgts, and our Troop Commander (now and then). I feel our main problem is that we have no JNCOs and therefore our training on a Tuesday night is often subject to whichever SNCO can be spared from normal duties to instruct us and what they are qualified in. There are a couple of Sigs which manage to fill in the training schedule by either taking drill or by going through the basics of the trades we've got. So I'm wondering if our lack of a formal training program is responsible for our lack of attendance...
 
#19
Attendance took a massive slump after SDR and has never rcovered. Fact is people will turn up if the training on offer is interesting, challenging or fun, or any combination of the above. Unfortunatley with company level training all the time it gets difficult to keep up the interesting and challenging for guys who have been a trained soldier more than a year or two. With the new inf btns things could improve, but I doubt they will. There is no requirment for soldiers to know anything above plt tactics as thats all the regs require.

Tue nights are a different kettle of fish, quite simply, people don't work the 8-4:30 jobs anymore and with commuting I think lots simply can't be doing with the rush. Also the complete reluctance of PSAO's to pay TEA etc to encourage guys to come in on a Tue night doesn't help. Then of course there is the endless admin tasks that require doing because of a reluctance to allow guys in during the week (MTDs restrictions again?).
 

The_Duke

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#20
As has been pointed out on here, attendance is directly related to the quality of training provided...HOWEVER..... the quality of training provided is directly related to the attendance of the soldiers and JNCOs!

Those who draft the training programmes do so on an assumption of attendance from the soldiers. If the soldiers consistently fail to attend, then the training must be scaled down to meet the numbers and less interesting training results.

When the JNCOs fail to attend without notifying anyone (Despite several weeks notice that they were to teach a lesson) then either a lesson has to cobbled together at the last minute or the OC/2IC/CSM takes a lesson that should be taught by a JNCO. This means less of their time is spent doing what they should be doing, and the JNCO is not developing the next generation (and themselves).

Those on here who bemoan the poor attendance should ask if they are actually part of the problem. Are you the soldier who fails to attend because you think it might be boring, thus ensuring it is? Are you the JNCO who doesn't turn up to teach his lesson, and puts the burden onto others resulting in bodged training? Are you the junior officer/SNCO who fails to instill confidence in the soldiers under your command that the training WILL happen, and WILL be interesting?

A bit longwinded, and I am sure some will disagree, but interesting training requires manpower. If people will take the leap of faith and turn up regularly for a period of time, they should see improvements. If not, the chain of command will get the poorly attended unit it deserves.
 
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