Whats the deal with stable belts?

#1
There's a stable belt for Royal Signals and a stable belt for 71 regiment (Sigs)... Do I have to wear one or the other? Is there one for the Signals "corps" and one for 71 regiment? Am I allowed to wear either / or? What's the big deal anyway?
 
#2
I thought each sqn has its own stable belt (or is that another London Sigs Regt), but you wear your units belt (you don't need a signals one)
 

scaryspice

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#3
Most Sig Sqns with Yeomanry titles have their own stable belts - this is the same in whichever TA Signal Regt (including 71).

It is your choice whether to wear the Sqn one or the Corps one. If most people in the Sqn wear the Sqn one then I would do that (in some Yeomanry Sqns it's not much of a choice really...more of a requirement)

Bear in mind if you move Sqns or regts you will need a different stable belt - I have three......
 
#6
scaryspice said:
Bear in mind if you move Sqns or regts you will need a different stable belt - I have three......
How does that work with mess kit? Would you have to get a new set if you moved Yeomanrys/Sqns or do you keep the one you started with (which makes more sense)
 
#7
polar said:
scaryspice said:
Bear in mind if you move Sqns or regts you will need a different stable belt - I have three......
How does that work with mess kit? Would you have to get a new set if you moved Yeomanrys/Sqns or do you keep the one you started with (which makes more sense)
EY have their own, but I think you can wear Corp also. If you change badge then all new I guess?
 
#8
bibo_boy wrote "(Wear the Essex Yeomanry Belt. You are not allowed to wear the Corp belt).

Whats that all about...what cap badge do you wear, if its "jimmy" then how can you not be allowed to wear the corp stable belt.
 
#9
G_Fore said:
Whats that all about...what cap badge do you wear, if its "jimmy" then how can you not be allowed to wear the corp stable belt.
I don't believe the Yeomanry are techincally Royal Signals, I don't think the jimmy is worn on any other part of the uniform (i.e. on No 2's) - Even the berret may not be RSigs
 

scaryspice

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#10
polar said:
G_Fore said:
Whats that all about...what cap badge do you wear, if its "jimmy" then how can you not be allowed to wear the corp stable belt.
I don't believe the Yeomanry are techincally Royal Signals, I don't think the jimmy is worn on any other part of the uniform (i.e. on No 2's) - Even the berret may not be RSigs
Come on Polar that's a wah right?

Of course they are royal signals - how ever much some might like to think they are not.

Some R Sigs Sqns with yeomanry titles do wear different collar dogs, some do wear different mess kit (or have the option to if they can find/afford one), but even the EY wear the jimmy cap badge and I don't think even they would claim not to be Royal Signals. Nothing wrong with being proud of your Yeomanry history and tradition but let's not take it too far....
 
#11
I worked with the Inns of Court and they all wore jimmy it was only the collar dogs that were different...i understand and respect their past traditions and i support that, but they are members of the "Royal Corp"
 
#12
scaryspice said:
Come on Polar that's a wah right?

Of course they are royal signals - how ever much some might like to think they are not.
No, I honestly don't know. We are all bog standard Sigs up north.

So if the Yeomanry are Signals proper then do we have their VC's?
 
#14
^They aren't with them, the Yeomanry (except the Arty guys) were always independant. Most fought as themselves in both WW1 and WW2.
 

stab

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#15
morechanges said:
The yeomanry people I have seen all wear RSignals cap badges. In No2 dress they tend to have different buttons, collar badges and lanyards. One Sqn - 47 Middlesex Yeomanry - even wear different rank badges I think. I was certainly on a course with one of them who had 2 stripes and a crown on but was only a Cpl! They all seem to have differnt stable belts.....

Very confusing

As to their VC's I doubt we have them probably with the tank people from when they were proper yeomanry/cavalry
True. The Middlesex Yeomanry do wear different badges of rank but only on Service Dress - something to do with being the guard of honour for Queen Victoria some time ago..... Their dog collars are also Middx Yeo, not Royal Signals but they do wear the jimmy in their beret and of course, their own stable belt. This is a unit that is over 200 years old, has been in everything from the Boer War right through to WW2, has numerous battle honours and a VC (Major Lafone). Much of unit memorabilia is now at Blandford in the museum.
 
#16
To clarify...

You wear the stable belt your OC tells you to. Check with them what there preference/policy is. If they have any respect for the traditions of your unit they will suggest you wear your Sqn belt. While you are part of the glorious Corp it's worth bearing in mind that many of your Sqn's were Regiments once, and their histories undoubtedly go back further than the Corp's.

Although my Sqn is not part of the Donkey-Walloping tradition of the Yeomanry, the Officers wear different collar dogs and buttons on our 2's than 'ordinary' signals although the Cap-Badge is always the Jimmy.

Why be ordinary? In many cases our differences are what make us all the same (oooh, that was bloody profound for a Monday morning!).
 
#17
stab said:
True. The Middlesex Yeomanry do wear different badges of rank but only on Service Dress - something to do with being the guard of honour for Queen Victoria some time ago..... Their dog collars are also Middx Yeo, not Royal Signals but they do wear the jimmy in their beret and of course, their own stable belt. This is a unit that is over 200 years old, has been in everything from the Boer War right through to WW2, has numerous battle honours and a VC (Major Lafone). Much of unit memorabilia is now at Blandford in the museum.
Of course the Middlesex Yeomanry were 'Signals' before the Royal Corps, before even the Corps, back when the only other people playing that particular game were the Royal Corps of Engineers.
 
#18
Each Sqn in 71(Y) has +400 years of history each... and its each to their own concerning dress requirements.

I second SilverBullet... with some exceptions

1 - Boll0cks to listening to the OC... copy your SSM, they're the ones who give out extra's for incorrect dress, copy them and you can't go far wrong.
2 - Ditch your blatent Yeomanry stuff (like the stupidly coloured rank slides my lot have) outside of Regt i.e. when you're on courses and want to act the "grey man". Us Yeomaneers' stick out like a sore arse, and it ain't always a good thing!

Other than that, wear it with pride son! You are special, even in a medical sense... depending on your Sqn ;-)
 

TARE

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#19
Officially the stable belt should match the cap badge. The difference to the rule are the Yeomanry that do there own thing and have there own winter/summer collection. They should wear corps colours but sometimes its just easier to let them do there own thing....................

All RSigs personnel TA or Reg are entitled to wear the corps stable belt.
 
#20
TopBadger said:
Ditch your blatent Yeomanry stuff (like the stupidly coloured rank slides my lot have) outside of Regt i.e. when you're on courses and want to act the "grey man".
No not at all, anyone doing so - especially with rememberance parade this weekend - should be shot.
 

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