What would arrse pick to replace the Landrover?

What would arrse pick to replace the Landrover?

  • Eagle IV

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  • DURO IIIP

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  • a version of the Light Multirole Vehicle already in UK service as the Panther command and liaison ve

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  • G series UNIMOG (Mercedes)

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  • Sherpa (Renault)

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  • Copperhead (Thales).

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#1
From Janes
The aim of OUVS is to replace current in-service lighter vehicles including the Land Rover Truck Utility Light 4x4, Land Rover Truck Utility Medium 4x4, the now BAE Systems Land Systems Pinzgauer Truck Utility Heavy Duty 4x4 and 6x6 and the Reynolds Boughton Truck Utility Heavy 4x4.
Under the original plan it was expected that up to 16,000 OUVS could be required and backed up by a full 25-year through-life support package.

It is understood that perhaps only 2,000 to 4,000 OUVS will be procured, with the remainder of the fleet being refurbished current vehicles.

The OUVS (Small) is expected to have a payload of two to three tonnes while OUVS (Large) will have a payload of around four to five tonnes, from where the recently introduced MAN support vehicle in its 4x4 version with a payload of six tonnes takes over.

Some industry observers, however, believe there is an overlap between the two OUVS types and one vehicle could well meet the complete OUVS requirement.

The OUVS represents a step change from existing vehicles and will be required to be fitted for, but not with, armour. It will also have an increased power requirement to take into account additional electronic equipment to be fitted including communications equipment and counter-IED (improvised explosive device) systems. It is understood that a much higher level of protection than fitted to current British Army trucks is now required.

None of the vehicles shortlisted are currently manufactured in the UK and in some cases have yet to be manufactured in large numbers in their country of origin.

It is understood
The options
It is understood that the down-selection included the following vehicle types: Eagle IV, DURO IIIP (both General Dynamics), a version of the Light Multirole Vehicle already in UK service as the Panther command and liaison vehicle (IVECO), G series UNIMOG (Mercedes), Sherpa (Renault) and Copperhead (Thales). The latter is based on the Bushmaster infantry mobility vehicle, which recently entered service with the British Army.
Eagle IV


Duro IIIP


Panther more of these means the CO isn't as likely to get shot. Common spares etc.


G series UNIMOG
(No image don't know if anyone can help)

Sherpa Renault


Copperhead


My Vote goes to the Bushmaster. No real reason but a large fleet could only be a good thing.
 
#2
Depends what role you want it for.

All have their merits less that piece of crap DURO which has been used by EOD and binned.
 
#3
By G series unimog are you talking what they refer to as the ATF Dingo (???) or is there something new?
 
#4
It seams to be a straight replacement for the current fleet that are used for all sorts of roles.

Gun puller
Convoy
Re-supply
Signals
And 101 others that don't come staight to mind
 
#6
strima said:
Depends what role you want it for.

All have their merits less that piece of crap DURO which has been used by EOD and binned.
What's so bad about Duro?
 
#7
It is understood that the down-selection included the following vehicle types: Eagle IV, DURO IIIP (both General Dynamics), a version of the Light Multirole Vehicle already in UK service as the Panther command and liaison vehicle (IVECO), G series UNIMOG (Mercedes), Sherpa (Renault) and Copperhead (Thales). The latter is based on the Bushmaster infantry mobility vehicle, which recently entered service with the British Army.
Pretty sure it was the aussie army ...........could be wrong ,usually wrong.

I dont know why we went to panther has it got a v hull ?
The aussies like the bushmaster afaik
The mowag thing would get my vote may get bulk discount because of the fres thingy is theirs as well

The bushmaster would be equally ok
 
#8
Certain sections of the press and the Australian government claim that the UK has bought 25 Bushmaster personnel carriers. The UK govt and the manufacturer refuse to comment.

The Panther is allegedly fairly survivable, but suffers some faults in the utility role. With Bowman in there, there's only room for three guys (just) in the seats, going by the one I saw at the Tankfest in Bovington, and the back of the vehicle isn't armoured. There isn't a pronounced V-hull, but the structure above the wheels is designed to separate in the event of a mine strike (front and rear) in order to protect the safety cell where the normal seats are. Anyone sat in the back would get launched several hundred feet into the air and redistributed over a large radius.

I doubt that General Dynamics would necessarily give a discount on the Eagle, and the design (detachable front and rear with a central safety cell) looks similar to the Panther.

I am surprised that Supacat aren't offering anything.
 
#9
I would not touch the Bushmaster because it will mean that you have to have everything french on it. Thales bought ADI and they will never put anything other than their rubbish on it. Once they get their hands on your kit you can guarantee it will be expensive and made in france or anywhere other than UK.

Not fond of them as a company at the moment. UK MOD have made some very strange decisions with regards to them. :twisted:
 
#10
The Duro is already In Service. It is known as the Citizen. (I don't know if it is the IIIP though)
 
#12
None of the above.

Tally wagons with Cabs - In my experience they're pretty robust and appear 5.56proof.
 
#14
Perhaps it's time to restart the development process from this:



An Oxford Carrier (CT20). Apparently, the next in line was due to be the Cambridge Carrier FV401/FV402 which got as far as the prototype stage but was discontinued - can't find any pics unfortunately. I gather that it was the stage between the Oxford and the 432.

Otherwise, the Polish Rosomak looks quite handy, though a bit big to be considered a Rover replacement.
 
#15
More than up to the task.

 
#17
#18
Closet_Jibber said:
More than up to the task.

You are taking the piss, aren't you?

My moneys on the Copperhead. I haven't seen a duff Bushmaster variant yet.

Anyone else at Warminster a couple of years back when the Panther ended up on its side just turning a corner on a flat piece of ground? What a pile of pooh. I don't trust its stability with any kind of roof mount on it. Perhaps as important is its load capability - not enough, IMHO
 
#19
Closet_Jibber said:
More than up to the task.

Stunning camoflage job on that. Somehow they've managed to contrive a way to ensure that it will blend into the urban landscape as well as open country.
 
#20
incendiarycutlery said:
Certain sections of the press and the Australian government claim that the UK has bought 25 Bushmaster personnel carriers. The UK govt and the manufacturer refuse to comment.
Speculation has it that they're intended for UKSF. Something about being unhappy about the offroad performance of Mastiff/Cougar.

A Landie replacement will certainly mean multiple vehicles. No single vehicle will fulfill all the requirements.

IMO I'd look into the US JLTV project.
 
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