What will be different following the Coronavirus?

Boris_Johnson

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Thread cleaned. Posts are still visible in the Bugsy Dross thread.

I've also put some thread bans in place for not taking my previous warning.
 
Earlier it was mentioned the potential backlash against the cruise liner business from this virus.

I was wondering, we blame the cruise ships as floating petri dishes and I think that cleaning these to become a more sterile environment will be a big change, but I wonder if its as simple as the majority of people who holiday on these ships are just self entitled.

Why should I wash my hands types, ive paid $3000 to have this ship clean.

Perhaps the passengers should take a long look at their own filthy habits of sticking their fat fingers in their mouths and never washing their hands all day because the cabin is too far away?

I was considering a cruise for about 10 seconds once, the thought of bumping into fat entitled americans being loud and filling their plates with too much food because they can do, the swarms of easterners with their air of self importance and selfishness, pensioners everywhere expecting help and priority because they are old.....

Makes my teeth itch thinking about it.
 
One thing I hope to disappear post covid 19, but dont hold out any hope it will, is Premier League footballers being paid hundreds of thousands of pounds a week.

Sure they entertain and nothing wrong with getting a £5-10 grand a week for that but Europe, possibly the World, has just discovered we dont need professional football, it's a nice luxury not a necessity.

The same applies to pundits and other celebrity entertainers as well in my view.
 

Joker62

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One thing I hope to disappear post covid 19, but dont hold out any hope it will, is Premier League footballers being paid hundreds of thousands of pounds a week.

Sure they entertain and nothing wrong with getting a £5-10 grand a week for that but Europe, possibly the World, has just discovered we dont need professional football, it's a nice luxury not a necessity.

The same applies to pundits and other celebrity entertainers as well in my view.
And yet the BBC is still showing MOTD!
 

AlienFTM

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Earlier it was mentioned the potential backlash against the cruise liner business from this virus.

I was wondering, we blame the cruise ships as floating petri dishes and I think that cleaning these to become a more sterile environment will be a big change, but I wonder if its as simple as the majority of people who holiday on these ships are just self entitled.

Why should I wash my hands types, ive paid $3000 to have this ship clean.

Perhaps the passengers should take a long look at their own filthy habits of sticking their fat fingers in their mouths and never washing their hands all day because the cabin is too far away?

I was considering a cruise for about 10 seconds once, the thought of bumping into fat entitled americans being loud and filling their plates with too much food because they can do, the swarms of easterners with their air of self importance and selfishness, pensioners everywhere expecting help and priority because they are old.....

Makes my teeth itch thinking about it.
Even during my time in BAOR when I was accompanied by Zero Alpha and the subunits, we had plenty of experience of Townsend Thoresen et al.

Zero Alpha was heavily pregnant with Alien Minor 1 when we returned to BAOR after I'd transferred to RAPC, autumn 82.

The ferry left the shelter of Harwich into a gale and smacked head on into the first big wave. 90% of passengers and crew, their stomachs didn't stop the way the ferry did. I looked after 0A. I left the remaining crew to look after everyone else. The vomit was tidal before we were halfway across.

Or all those times we had a cabin and school children run amok in the corridors, banging on doors. Zero Alpha's instructions to pursers to get teachers out of bars and taking responsibility for their charges were far less brutal than the lorry drivers trying to sleep.

Back in the UK after I'd left the mob, P&O used to advertise Why sail across the channel when you can cruise across the channel? Neither of us could ever get past that night on 1982. She will never cruise. I'd like to see the Aurora Borealis, but it would mean a cruise.

Those schoolchildren are all grown up now. If that's what a cruise is like, you're welcome to it.
 
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AlienFTM

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One thing I hope to disappear post covid 19, but dont hold out any hope it will, is Premier League footballers being paid hundreds of thousands of pounds a week.

Sure they entertain and nothing wrong with getting a £5-10 grand a week for that but Europe, possibly the World, has just discovered we dont need professional football, it's a nice luxury not a necessity.

The same applies to pundits and other celebrity entertainers as well in my view.
If FIFA had the bottle, they could set a single standard salary cap of say $100,000 per annum worldwide. Imagine the prima donnas suddenly choosing to play in the Kyrgyzstan Premier League in a desperate attempt to retain their louche lifestyle they could no longer dream of, for kicking a ball about for 90 minutes a week for a few months of the year.
 

ancienturion

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And yet the BBC is still showing MOTD!
I cannot really see that you feel that the BBC producers have to think as well.
 

NSP

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I'd like to see the Aurora Borealis, but it would mean a cruise.
Try holidaying in Tromso at the right time of year. You can fly there.
 

Yokel

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One thing I hope to disappear post covid 19, but dont hold out any hope it will, is Premier League footballers being paid hundreds of thousands of pounds a week.

Sure they entertain and nothing wrong with getting a £5-10 grand a week for that but Europe, possibly the World, has just discovered we dont need professional football, it's a nice luxury not a necessity.

The same applies to pundits and other celebrity entertainers as well in my view.
I wonder if it will make people think about what is essential or important activity, and who does it? That will be good for society, and important for many people and their sense of self worth, but the market will still reward sporting/entertainment types excessively.

Perhaps would could see a sustained increase in home cooking, and self sufficiency? Why not try cooking things instead of going to KFC or McDonalds for every meal?

An increase in hand washing would be a good legacy too.
 
I wonder if it will make people think about what is essential or important activity, and who does it? That will be good for society, and important for many people and their sense of self worth, but the market will still reward sporting/entertainment types excessively.

Perhaps would could see a sustained increase in home cooking, and self sufficiency? Why not try cooking things instead of going to KFC or McDonalds for every meal?

An increase in hand washing would be a good legacy too.

What we should see is an increase in the population saving for a rainy day, having three months dosh for emergencies.

Hopefully less reliant on credit, Radio 4 on the day the Chancellor announced the help for self employed, BBC like they do had Bronwyn from Cardiff a self employed beautician giving her thoughts on the announcement,

I hope its a lot, my partner works for a Fruit & Veg wholesaler our LIFESTYLE is that we both need to work, there is the mortgage and our lifestyle to maintain Oh and we both have personal loans


Archie
 

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Try holidaying in Tromso at the right time of year. You can fly there.
Last time I was more than a ladder off the ground was at Vogelsang in March 1981, escorting a section of Spahis onto and off a Puma from one side of the training area to the other.

Last fixed wing flight was iirc Luton - Gütersloh after I'd crewed HMSTY Sabre from Gosport - Gib, March 80, one of my last actions as a Trooper. Walked into camp, "get your kit into the tailor. Your promotion will be published Friday."

Aside. Back from three weeks' sailing, I was naturally dicked for daytime gate guard. 4pm, I went out on stag, saw orders go up, popped into block, changed combat jacket. Back to guard room. Guard Commander had read orders, called me out for being improperly dressed. I smiled and pointed out my change of jacket.

Corporals' Mess barman was my mucker Dave Pawley, sadly recently RIP. He picked up the Mess keys and made sure I was first into the Mess to buy a round for the Mess (him), and all the nig lance jacks behind me had to buy for an ever busier mess.
 
What we should see is an increase in the population saving for a rainy day, having three months dosh for emergencies.

Hopefully less reliant on credit, Radio 4 on the day the Chancellor announced the help for self employed, BBC like they do had Bronwyn from Cardiff a self employed beautician giving her thoughts on the announcement,

I hope its a lot, my partner works for a Fruit & Veg wholesaler our LIFESTYLE is that we both need to work, there is the mortgage and our lifestyle to maintain Oh and we both have personal loans


Archie
Hate to say this but that is a wildly optimistic post. Any good business should trade with sufficient reserves to pay payroll for three months - obviously when times are good, people and business are spending Which is what keeps reserves topped up. What you have see now however is revenues dropping by between 20-80%, and in worse cases 100%, so reserves are being eaten into.

If you look at a good trading business, and if you consider companies in the £20 - £100m turnover bracket, you will see them falling off a cliff in about 8 weeks time - we are already 4 weeks into a dramatic drop in revenues, so those people you are on about wont have any income to save for a rainy day. Once that bracket of business starts to go (and it will), that will dramatically impact the supply chain. When that happens we are in deep deep shit.

What’s going on at the minute is the banks are not giving access to the cash the government wants them to give and the loans are as ever, either unobtainable or the rates so high, you don’t waste your time reading the terms and conditions. Given the choice between taking on loans or shedding staff, in normal times, taking working capital In the form of a loan would be the course of action most FDs would pursue. These however are not normal times as revenues have collapsed by between 20-80%. Shedding staff therefore is the sensible (and only realistic) option IMHO.

The government’s financial measures are woefully inadequate - I’ve said it before. I’m not knocking them as I don’t know what else they could do, but this runs the risk of them losing control in the 8-12 week time bracket. Sole trader self-employed are fcuked. SME’s are not far behind them. £20-100m T/O companies? 8 weeks. They have just announced the suspension of legal accountability foe the decisions Company Directors take to try and ease the situation. If a Director or Board make bad governance decisions, they can be fined and worst case is prison. We’ve just taken a set of decisions that in normal circumstances would leave the Company Directors personally liable. If we’d not been able to take those decisions the sensible decision would have been to furlough the whole company. As it is, we will last to the end of August. We are lucky.

I’d write to the bank if I were you and tell them to whistle for their loan and ask for a mortgage holiday while you are on.............. Hopefully the government will see the issue in enough time to do something about it. What they should do is basically print money and give it to business to pay staff. If people aren’t working, And generating income, the economy will collapse, so the answer is the government should just pay them (via their company payroll) and sort the mess out when its clear, which is not likely to be before the end of the year or end Q1, 2021 if we are very lucky - I’m referring to the economy rather than the virus.

On that cheery note, I am glad I have my SLR.........
 
@Simmerit

My post was about individuals - I was only pointing out that in the future people should have savings to tied them through a rough period i.e. the equivilant of 3 months saving in a savings account, thus for 3 months no need to be reliant on state aid

Going self employed have some money in the bank for family emergencies - separate from you business

Trouble is the Audi / BMW on PCP and a house mortgage up to the hilt - get it on credit mentality, its all going to change in the future now for decades

Archie
 
Nah, London Pride is fine.

The worst I've experienced was one of those mini-kegs one can acquire in Germany from off licenses / getrankanhaus. Wheat beer got dropped and the sediment suspended throughout the beer. Tasted fine but the bottom burps afterward were straight from Hades.
The sediment is supposed to spread through the wheat beer prior to drinking, it improves the taste greatly.:chef:
The botty burps are of course lethal. :)
 
@Simmerit

My post was about individuals - I was only pointing out that in the future people should have savings to tied them through a rough period i.e. the equivilant of 3 months saving in a savings account, thus for 3 months no need to be reliant on state aid

Going self employed have some money in the bank for family emergencies - separate from you business

Trouble is the Audi / BMW on PCP and a house mortgage up to the hilt - get it on credit mentality, its all going to change in the future now for decades

Archie
I get that, but companies pay individuals when they do the work thing. Others are self-employed. Most people live month by month with their income accounted for - mortgage/rent, utilities, food, etc, nd the lucky ones have disposable income. The saving culture died with the war-time generation. The last 40 years have been about credit which is freely available.

Unless the economy is sorted, there wont be much of a future for people to change their spending and savings behaviours - that’s the point I was making. I know it was a log post, so apologies if it wasn’t easy to pick out. I agree it will cause people to consider how they operate financially, providing we get there....
 
The last 40 years have been about credit which is freely available.
Hopefully in the future, people will start to understand that if you can't afford it , you can't have it.
I'm hoping that most of the credit companies will go bust in the next few months.
 
Hopefully in the future, people will start to understand that if you can't afford it , you can't have it.
I'm hoping that most of the credit companies will go bust in the next few months.
So do I but what will happen is another set of shits will buy their loan books and off we go again. Sadly there is no escape
 
Hopefully in the future, people will start to understand that if you can't afford it , you can't have it.
I'm hoping that most of the credit companies will go bust in the next few months.
Bright House was a good start. All for a market economy but lending mongs a big telly and a fake leather sofa at ten thousand percent interest just should not be an acceptable business model.
 

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