What will be different following the Coronavirus?

mcphee1948

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How long will people have to be locked away
 
Oh, I absolutely agree. The thing is that I never lost my interest in medical matters just because I left the British Army. I've kept myself au fait with all the latest developments in general medical treatments over the years and the basic anatomy of humans hasn't changed in all that time.

I've no idea what I'll actually be doing, but it's worthwhile to remember that there will still be the usual number of accidents etc in addition to having to treat patients with the virus. Since I have the basic medical skills (albeit a bit "rusty" as you correctly point out), I'm sure that I can do a lot to free up other personnel to help in treating the virus patients. Anyway, I have to show up at the dock on Friday afternoon, when I'll, presumably, find out where I'll be sent and what I'll be doing. I'm looking forward to it, actually.

MsG
Do keep us up to date on your progress in becoming a Covid 19 specialist.

Can you leave your library of back copies of The Lancet to the local library?
 
How long will people have to be locked away
Depends.

The Imperial modelling paper published last week that the government seem to have based a lot of policy on is quite disturbing in terms of time this might go on for - https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

Probably the simplest graph for one possible long-term scenario is on page 12:

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Those blue blocks are when schools and universities are shut and social distancing is enforced. 2 months on, 1 month off for a year and half roughly.
 

Arte_et_Marte

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Oh, I absolutely agree. The thing is that I never lost my interest in medical matters just because I left the British Army. I've kept myself au fait with all the latest developments in general medical treatments over the years and the basic anatomy of humans hasn't changed in all that time.

I've no idea what I'll actually be doing, but it's worthwhile to remember that there will still be the usual number of accidents etc in addition to having to treat patients with the virus. Since I have the basic medical skills (albeit a bit "rusty" as you correctly point out), I'm sure that I can do a lot to free up other personnel to help in treating the virus patients. Anyway, I have to show up at the dock on Friday afternoon, when I'll, presumably, find out where I'll be sent and what I'll be doing. I'm looking forward to it, actually.

MsG
For the love of baby Jesus, just stop it.
 
I have to show up at the dock on Friday afternoon, when I'll, presumably, find out where I'll be sent and what I'll be doing. I'm looking forward to it, actually.
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Sunak has the self-employed set firmly in his sights concerning parity in paying tax compared to employed once the dust has settled with COVID19.
Absolutely. There was never going to be any other reference of what to allow other than previous tax returns. Be creative in the future at your peril.
 
So let me get this right, I mean, just so that I can chuckle over it. You want me to stay at home, in spite of the fact that I'm a trained Medic, just so that you can make a mockery of me? Is that right?

Folks are dying and all you can think of is some sort of petty "revenge" on me? Are you fückin' serious, fella? Really? Do you not realise just how dire the situation in the UK is at the moment? I'll leave it at that. I really can't be arrsed with total ghunts like you at the moment.

MsG
Bugsy as you are over 70 Im all for you leaving your hovel , don't listen to Murphy Law, you get yourself out there mate, especially around those with the Corona virus.
 
That's nothing. I was given a broken copy of the game "Operation" in 1989, aged 5.

I'm now the assistant Surgeon General.
Pah! Amateur! On my survival instructor course in 1985 I was shown how to put in a drip. I have just been head-hunted as the chief consultant anaesthetist for the whole of the EU.
I'm volunteering to take on the onerous job of breast examinations to free up vital manpower.

Cometh the hour, cometh the man, I say.
 
Depends.

The Imperial modelling paper published last week that the government seem to have based a lot of policy on is quite disturbing in terms of time this might go on for - https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

Probably the simplest graph for one possible long-term scenario is on page 12:

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Those blue blocks are when schools and universities are shut and social distancing is enforced. 2 months on, 1 month off for a year and half roughly.
Have you managed to read all of it yet? I'm about to read it in half an hour or so.
 
Oh, I absolutely agree. The thing is that I never lost my interest in medical matters just because I left the British Army. I've kept myself au fait with all the latest developments in general medical treatments over the years and the basic anatomy of humans hasn't changed in all that time.

I've no idea what I'll actually be doing, but it's worthwhile to remember that there will still be the usual number of accidents etc in addition to having to treat patients with the virus. Since I have the basic medical skills (albeit a bit "rusty" as you correctly point out), I'm sure that I can do a lot to free up other personnel to help in treating the virus patients. Anyway, I have to show up at the dock on Friday afternoon, when I'll, presumably, find out where I'll be sent and what I'll be doing. I'm looking forward to it, actually.

MsG
By Jupiter's hairy balls, Bugsy. Don't do this to yourself.

You benefit from a new moderation policy that stops you getting roasted every time you post. Do you:

1. Turn over a new leaf and use the opportunity to reinvent yourself as a decent poster who is maligned due to mistakes in the past, perhaps unfairly.

2. Crash in with another trouser Hindenburg that will be thrown in your face for years to come.

Answer:


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Have you managed to read all of it yet? I'm about to read it in half an hour or so.
I tried. There's a lot of data tables where they have explained what each combination is but it's hard to keep track of all the abbreviations.

The graphs are a much better summary of the situation in my opinion. They are also very upfront in the conclusion that it's currently an educated guess and in a few months there should be much more robust data to refine predictions.
 
Absolutely. There was never going to be any other reference of what to allow other than previous tax returns. Be creative in the future at your peril.
Nice big legit middle finger to all those cash in hand jokers who were creative with their tax returns out of self interest =-)
 
My tuppence worth:

People might, just might, regain a sense of perspective. Cast your mind back to before COVID (seems like a lifetime ago, doesn't it?) and people were getting gooey and upset about the suicide of a blonde bimbo z-list celeb.

A stat that was quoted at me by a Dr neighbour the other day was that if 20% of people in the UK get COVID (20% of c70mil = 14mil) and between 2 and 3% of them die, that's 280-420,000 people.

It might be that it takes six-figure sums of deaths, mass graves and large Russki style memorials to give us, as Western society, a bit of a press of the 'Reset' button as to what is important. Feeding people, looking after the living, and ensuring that people have a means of living and decent shelter are important. The on-screen emoting of some blonde bint because she can't eat 200 locusts on the f***ing TV, so she won't get Snapchat followers, f***ing isn't. A new I-Phone every year isn't. Snapchat photos aren't. Likes on Facebook aren't.

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It might change our attitudes towards lifespan and death as well. On BBC R4 this morning, a lady was interviewed to the extent that "we have come to view death as an avoidable tragedy which we should do everything to prevent, when in fact it is as natural as childbirth".

We've gone from a 1901 average lifespan of c51 yrs in the US to nowadays the assumption is that more children born in NW Europe today will live to be 100 than will not. Combine that with a burgeoning global populace and the cynic in me begins to wonder if Mother Nature isn't letting us know that she is a bit displeased...........
 
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My tuppence worth:

People might, just might, regain a sense of perspective. Cast your mind back to before COVID (seems like a lifetime ago, doesn't it?) and people were getting gooey and upset about the suicide of a blonde bimbo z-list celeb.

A stat that was quoted at me by a Dr neighbour the other day was that if 20% of people in the UK get COVID (20% of c70mil = 14mil) and between 2 and 3% of them die, that's 280-420,000 people.

It might be that it takes six-figure sums of deaths, mass graves and large Russki style memorials to give us, as Western society, a bit of a press of the 'Reset' button as to what is important. Feeding people, looking after the living, and ensuring that people have a means of living and decent shelter are important. The on-screen emoting of some blonde bint because she can't eat 200 locusts on the f***ing TV, so she won't get Snapchat followers, f***ing isn't. A new I-Phone every year isn't. Snapchat photos aren't. Likes on Facebook aren't.
610,000 odd people die each year in the U.K., most of them wrinklies.

Be interesting to see when the stats are in next year, how the demographics and numbers have changed, if at all.
 
My tuppence worth:

People might, just might, regain a sense of perspective. Cast your mind back to before COVID (seems like a lifetime ago, doesn't it?) and people were getting gooey and upset about the suicide of a blonde bimbo z-list celeb.

A stat that was quoted at me by a Dr neighbour the other day was that if 20% of people in the UK get COVID (20% of c70mil = 14mil) and between 2 and 3% of them die, that's 280-420,000 people.

It might be that it takes six-figure sums of deaths, mass graves and large Russki style memorials to give us, as Western society, a bit of a press of the 'Reset' button as to what is important. Feeding people, looking after the living, and ensuring that people have a means of living and decent shelter are important. The on-screen emoting of some blonde bint because she can't eat 200 locusts on the f***ing TV, so she won't get Snapchat followers, f***ing isn't. A new I-Phone every year isn't. Snapchat photos aren't. Likes on Facebook aren't.
Have a like for the general sentiments but as far as those casualty figures go, nationally they will be a statistical blip. Average UK deaths each year are around 600k. When you factor in that a lot of the COVID-19 deaths would be likely to die relatively soon anyway the number of deaths afterwards will probably experience a significant drop.

It will be important but in terms of long-term population change it probably won't make much of a difference in a decade.

Edit - bugger, beaten to it by Asterix
 

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