What was ADP Specialists?
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the_baron said:
Spookily I was talking about ADP Spec at lunch.
Yes it was the first attempt in the IT/IS management. The first ones that I (and one of my lunch mates) can remember started appearing in about 97-98ish.
I seem to remember they were mostly RTGs and Sys Ops but that could be b
lls.
Yes it was the first attempt in the IT/IS management. The first ones that I (and one of my lunch mates) can remember started appearing in about 97-98ish.
I seem to remember they were mostly RTGs and Sys Ops but that could be b
lls.
Glad_its_all_over said:
the_baron said:
Spookily I was talking about ADP Spec at lunch.
Yes it was the first attempt in the IT/IS management. The first ones that I (and one of my lunch mates) can remember started appearing in about 97-98ish.
I seem to remember they were mostly RTGs and Sys Ops but that could be b lls.
Yes it was the first attempt in the IT/IS management. The first ones that I (and one of my lunch mates) can remember started appearing in about 97-98ish.
I seem to remember they were mostly RTGs and Sys Ops but that could be b
lls.
Don't forget the many failed FofS as well!
ADP sounds like such an archaic term now. Mind you, these days there are even more abbreviations and acronyms like IS, CIS, ICS and ICT. Let's not get into a discussion about the difference
Kudos for that female ADP WO2 in '94. Good role model for female sprogs.
ADP sounds like such an archaic term now. Mind you, these days there are even more abbreviations and acronyms like IS, CIS, ICS and ICT. Let's not get into a discussion about the difference
Kudos for that female ADP WO2 in '94. Good role model for female sprogs.
If you're ever considering going IS Engr....DON'T! The employability of IS Engrs is forever decreasing unless you're happy working with outdated IS/IT equipment. The IS involvement in BOWMAN is also non-existent unless you're happy doing an App Specs course which I am led to believe involves learning how to use Open Office et al. Not good at all and very frustrating especially if you've got networking experience and courses under your belt which are going to waste.
Goodfella, you and I are in serious danger of falling out.
It all depends what unit you serve in, doesn't it? I think you probably have a fair point referring to working in an Armd Bde Sig Sqn. It goes with the territory, I'm afraid. The plain fact of the matter is that your career choices have a knock-on effect, some postings are better than others and all those factors need to be considered in your long-term career plan. OK Germany has lots of cheap beer, tax-free cars etc etc, but unless you're in 16 Sigs CIS Tp, you ain't going to be working with decent kit. How can you seriously suggest that people shouldn't go IS Engr, based on your Sqn's lack of equipment and the fact that Bowman is a disaster.
Where I work we have some pretty crap kit too, but on the other hand we get the chance to play with emerging technology (at least in Army terms) as well. You seem to be spreading a pretty bitter message, I suspect that it's partly due to the Corps failing to single you out for superhero status and promote you instantly to SOinC. I personally think you're miles off the pace and you need to tone down the self-important whingeing and start being proactive in looking for a suitable posting where you can flex your Stephen Hawking-like egghead skills. You need to accept where you are in your career, mate, then work it out from there.
Guys out there, pse ignore Goodfella's whingeing post. I still think that IS Engr is an outstanding trade for the sheer scope of jobs out there and the chance for good guys to shine. Paradoxically, that unwieldy scope of employment brings its own problems but there we go. Perhaps the trade group "realignment" (my wording!) might solve things, perhaps not. I admit that there are units where you should avoid like the plague but hey what's new. I suggest annotating your posting preference to request that you "work with PoisonDwarf"...after all, if it was too much hard work then I wouldn't be there would I?!!!
PD
It all depends what unit you serve in, doesn't it? I think you probably have a fair point referring to working in an Armd Bde Sig Sqn. It goes with the territory, I'm afraid. The plain fact of the matter is that your career choices have a knock-on effect, some postings are better than others and all those factors need to be considered in your long-term career plan. OK Germany has lots of cheap beer, tax-free cars etc etc, but unless you're in 16 Sigs CIS Tp, you ain't going to be working with decent kit. How can you seriously suggest that people shouldn't go IS Engr, based on your Sqn's lack of equipment and the fact that Bowman is a disaster.
Where I work we have some pretty crap kit too, but on the other hand we get the chance to play with emerging technology (at least in Army terms) as well. You seem to be spreading a pretty bitter message, I suspect that it's partly due to the Corps failing to single you out for superhero status and promote you instantly to SOinC. I personally think you're miles off the pace and you need to tone down the self-important whingeing and start being proactive in looking for a suitable posting where you can flex your Stephen Hawking-like egghead skills. You need to accept where you are in your career, mate, then work it out from there.
Guys out there, pse ignore Goodfella's whingeing post. I still think that IS Engr is an outstanding trade for the sheer scope of jobs out there and the chance for good guys to shine. Paradoxically, that unwieldy scope of employment brings its own problems but there we go. Perhaps the trade group "realignment" (my wording!) might solve things, perhaps not. I admit that there are units where you should avoid like the plague but hey what's new. I suggest annotating your posting preference to request that you "work with PoisonDwarf"...after all, if it was too much hard work then I wouldn't be there would I?!!!
PD
Sorry, guys, I just have to repeat that quote from Goodfella. It's a bloody classic!
Have you ever visited the planet Earth? The CEQ has been expanding rapidly and constantly to meet a (admittedly fuzzy) requirement.
Notwithstanding the merge with techs, these lads and lasses will be acting as "MSPs" (military service providers) for DII/F which is going to be huge. They will be as vital to Falcon as they are to Cormorant. I suspect we will also have an increasing requirement for E2 app spec posts - not just Bowman. Honestly I could go on for ages. Infact, everyone knows that already (chronic verbal diahorrhea) so I'll shut up.
Come on IS people, all those who think Goodfella's right then feel free to shoot me down in flames.
(p.s. Goodfella, nice piece of work. These threads have been getting far too dullsville)
PD
Have you ever visited the planet Earth?
The CEQ has been expanding rapidly and constantly to meet a (admittedly fuzzy) requirement.Notwithstanding the merge with techs, these lads and lasses will be acting as "MSPs" (military service providers) for DII/F which is going to be huge. They will be as vital to Falcon as they are to Cormorant. I suspect we will also have an increasing requirement for E2 app spec posts - not just Bowman. Honestly I could go on for ages. Infact, everyone knows that already (chronic verbal diahorrhea) so I'll shut up.
Come on IS people, all those who think Goodfella's right then feel free to shoot me down in flames.
(p.s. Goodfella, nice piece of work. These threads have been getting far too dullsville)
PD
Goodfella, i'm with PD on this one.
I'm currently working with IS Engrs who are using the most up to date equipment in defence. They are required to maintain that equipment, deploy it effectively often where the training received isnt up to scratch and they have to formulate their processes and procedures to keep the services they provide available to customer.
You may be in a job that isnt at the sharp end of Defence IS, but that doesnt give you cause to discourage potential future IS Engrs by labeling the job as wnak. Its far from it, the career over time is varied and ever changing.
If your less than satisified with your lot in life, your more than aware of the routes available to you. Do something about it, engineer a posting somewhere more suitable but for christ sake try and be onside, bleating about your experience not being recognised isnt relevant.
I'm currently working with IS Engrs who are using the most up to date equipment in defence. They are required to maintain that equipment, deploy it effectively often where the training received isnt up to scratch and they have to formulate their processes and procedures to keep the services they provide available to customer.
You may be in a job that isnt at the sharp end of Defence IS, but that doesnt give you cause to discourage potential future IS Engrs by labeling the job as wnak. Its far from it, the career over time is varied and ever changing.
If your less than satisified with your lot in life, your more than aware of the routes available to you. Do something about it, engineer a posting somewhere more suitable but for christ sake try and be onside, bleating about your experience not being recognised isnt relevant.
Wavell was taken out of commison in about 93. I was detcomd Wavell 043 at 4 Div at the time. As for the female WO2 at 15. Can confirm she was an ADP Spec as she was my boss. The Troop had about 5 ADP SNCO and the rest were made up of Sys Op or Techs. This was in about 94. Tried to go ADP in 96 however was not a SNCO so not allowed. It was then phased out a few years later in favour of IS Op. This happened about the same time as they binned Data Telegraphist. Oi good fella get your arrse out of whatever wnaky post you are in and get to 2, 30, PJHQ or 18 no shortage of equipment, new technology and tours to get your teeth into. You will never be bored mind you you will not have that much time of either. Your choice though.
To my everlasting chagrin I was persuaded to go on the ADP roster in 1993.
First posting as a newly minted ADP Spec was to the school doing database design. NOT what I had expected to be doing.
Managed to last a whole 14 months before begging my boss to let me go.
Reverted to ISop and spent the rest of my time swanning around in the CIS world doing as little as possible.
First posting as a newly minted ADP Spec was to the school doing database design. NOT what I had expected to be doing.
Managed to last a whole 14 months before begging my boss to let me go.
Reverted to ISop and spent the rest of my time swanning around in the CIS world doing as little as possible.
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