What TV show have you just watched

Watched an intriguing programme last night on BBC 4. I had read snippets about this but haven't really seen much in detail.

'World War Speed' - about the use of amphetamines by the Germans and Allies in WWII.

Blurb:
It’s long been known that German soldiers used a methamphetamine called Pervitin during WWII. But have tales of Nazis on speed obscured the massive use of stimulants by British and American troops? Did total war unleash the world’s first pharmacological arms race? And in the face of industrial slaughter, what role did drugs play in combat? Historian James Holland is on a quest to dig deeper and unearth the truth behind 'World War Speed'.

Available on iPlayer for the next month: BBC Four - World War Speed: The Drugs That Won WWII

There is a claim in the film that the British armoured division that spearheaded our assault at El Alamein were given large doses of Benzedrine (politely called "pep pills") to make them less tired, more focused, less scared and more aggressive and as a result suffered 80% casualties.

I was slightly dubious about this but did read about Italians sending hysterical messages to the Germans with one Italian telling them that it had been wiped out by "drunken negroes with tanks".

I missed this programme. Doubtless, it will resurrect. Pharmacological assistance was most certainly in use. Whereas your post focuses on the 'land' war, similar comments could be applied to the 'air' war. especially. Bomber crews undoubtedly made use of amphetamines and cocaine.

In December 1939, the Naval Intelligence Division tried out the so perceived 'truth drugs' on their own Intelligence officers.
The specialist elements subsequently made use of 'Op Saccharine' - research to procure drugs for special purposes. As such :

* A tablets - to aid travel sickness.
* B " - Benzedrine, to provide extra energy.
* Mecodrine - an amphetamine for energy in an emergency.
* E - Capsules, fast-acting anesthetic.
* K - Tablets, could knock out foreign agents if slipped into their drinks.
* L - Tablets , suicide pills.

ETA - I should have complimented the lovely Helen Fry and her book 'The London Cage' from where I used her research for the above. She looks after a museum and still believes I'm a nice guy.
 
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I'm rather enjoying Lupin on Netflix. Like most foreign stuff I prefer t watch it in the original with subtitles. Not because my French is any good - quite the opposite but I think you get better nuance and can hear the mood better. Any way it's pretty good.


NB. Despite being French, episode 4 and none of the birds have got their kit off yet!!
 
Startup. Amazon Prime. 10 part series with Martin Freeman playing a FBI g-man looking for illegal money transfers in Miami. Started off slow but I did get hooked enough to finish it. Some good insight into how and why the various immigrant gangs claim bragging rights while the banking establishment keeps them down.

4 Crooks /5
Added.

Apparently Startup is 3 seasons not 1.
 

dan_brown

War Hero
Sooooooooooooooo,

Ultimate Force :D

Other half caught an episode and suggested watching them all, I had watched some of the episodes back in the day, but not all.

So S1 done, 3 more to go.

Feck me Ross Kemp has more ham than Porky Pig - anyone remember the syringe to the face in the chemical lab breakout episode?
 

syrup

LE
Sooooooooooooooo,

Ultimate Force :D

Other half caught an episode and suggested watching them all, I had watched some of the episodes back in the day, but not all.

So S1 done, 3 more to go.

Feck me Ross Kemp has more ham than Porky Pig - anyone remember the syringe to the face in the chemical lab breakout episode?


Remember one of his programs where he was going o tour with the Angle Irons to Afghanistan and they had the "look if we get right in it you'll have to pick a weapon up, and get stuck in" chat
They gave him some weapon training and sent him on the range where he missed everything.

Range officer reading the scores out came out with something like Kemp 4 / 30 SAS my arse
 
Sooooooooooooooo,

Ultimate Force :D

Other half caught an episode and suggested watching them all, I had watched some of the episodes back in the day, but not all.

So S1 done, 3 more to go.

Feck me Ross Kemp has more ham than Porky Pig - anyone remember the syringe to the face in the chemical lab breakout episode?
I thought the one in NI was good, the Bosnia one, WTAF?
 

ches

LE
According to some on here a few years ago who'd been with him when he was in Afghan with the irons he was/is a really nice bloke, very self effacing & doesn't believe his own hype. Is still friends with a couple of the SNCOs he met while out there.

AFAIK he's still a patron of H4H does a fair bit on the quiet for the blokes.
 
According to some on here a few years ago who'd been with him when he was in Afghan with the irons he was/is a really nice bloke, very self effacing & doesn't believe his own hype. Is still friends with a couple of the SNCOs he met while out there.

AFAIK he's still a patron of H4H does a fair bit on the quiet for the blokes.
That might be true, I hope that it is, but it still doesn't give him a free pass for this serious error of judgement in 2010.

 
There is a claim in the film that the British armoured division that spearheaded our assault at El Alamein were given large doses of Benzedrine (politely called "pep pills") to make them less tired, more focused, less scared and more aggressive and as a result suffered 80% casualties.

But after 70 years of memoirs, regimental histories, official histories etc etc why hasn't it become common knowledge?

I suspect this is a case of a "historian" trying desperately to find something to make a name for himself. WW2 has been pretty much done to death and IMHO there is unlikely to be anything new to be "discovered"...
 
But after 70 years of memoirs, regimental histories, official histories etc etc why hasn't it become common knowledge?

I suspect this is a case of a "historian" trying desperately to find something to make a name for himself. WW2 has been pretty much done to death and IMHO there is unlikely to be anything new to be "discovered"...

No idea. Maybe it is just one of those things we prefer to sweep under the carpet.

I suspect James Holland has already made a name for himself with his dozens of books on the war and his dozens of TV programmes.

The letters between Churchill and his scientific advisers about using Benzedrine, the millions of amphetamine tablets the US took on Op. Torch, the 48 hour German mini-subs where the drivers were kept awake with Pervitin, cocaine and brandy were news to me at least.
 
No idea. Maybe it is just one of those things we prefer to sweep under the carpet.

I suspect James Holland has already made a name for himself with his dozens of books on the war and his dozens of TV programmes.

The letters between Churchill and his scientific advisers about using Benzedrine, the millions of amphetamine tablets the US took on Op. Torch, the 48 hour German mini-subs where the drivers were kept awake with Pervitin, cocaine and brandy were news to me at least.

The German use of drugs is pretty well known IIRC. I've never read much on the Allied use of them.
 

syrup

LE
The German use of drugs is pretty well known IIRC. I've never read much on the Allied use of them.


I've seen reference to "pep" pills being handed out to bomber crews

Allegedly one of the reasons for Elvis Presley's amphetamine addiction was that he got he taste for them while serving in Germany

The Army would issue them on exercise and they suited him as he was an insomniac anyway
 
I'm four episodes into a Netflix 'drama thriller' (allegedly) called Mossad 101. I say allegedly because it has taken me four episodes to decide that it is more of a comedy drama thriller, and once I decided to look for the humour I found it a lot easier to watch. Hebrew dialogue but English subtitles (with the odd error, but so what). I'll give it an unknown number of hidden cameras out of ten.

 
Last night BBC4 started showing the second series of the French sci fi series Missions.

The first series is available on iPlayer (looking again so is all the second series).

I saw it a few years ago but cannot or the life of me remember much about it (one of the perils of late night viewing after a few sherbets) so I started again from S1 E1.

It's not bad. They spent a few bob on it to make it fairly believable. About a manned mission to Mars by some Bezos squillionaire with a BFO mystery to it. Very short episodes (around 22-24 minutes) so presumably came from a commercial channel. Banged off the first five last night in double time.

Worth a peak.


In similar "worth a peak" vein is Gold Diggers (Ch 4/All4). Sex/murder series set in Moscow. There is a colossal amount of shagging in it (which I would have loved when I was 17 but frankly, fifty years later, bores me). All the women are stunningly beautiful, the men are all rich and well groomed, all cars are Merc S types, everybody lives in a swish penthouse etc etc.

You know the ugly duckling of a dowdy provincial girl is going to turn into a drop dead gorgeous swan before the end of the show.

It is pretty vacuous and sleazy and is clearly not much of a reflection of the criminal shithole that is Moscow but I liked it. Not least because I have never seen a programme set in Moscow (not since Gorky Park anyway, and that was filmed in Helsinki)
 

TamH70

MIA
Currently watching the Japanese anime series, "The Royal Tutor", based on a book published by the folks who make the Final Fantasy games, and it shows in the sumptuous nature of the settings, the character designs and the plot.

It's about a tiny professor who becomes the titular thingy to a foursome of very tall Princes after they drive out every one of their previous teachers. Pretty much like Mary Poppins in a way, but it's both madder than a box of chocolate frogs, and much funnier than the Disney film.
 

TamH70

MIA
Last night BBC4 started showing the second series of the French sci fi series Missions.

The first series is available on iPlayer (looking again so is all the second series).

I saw it a few years ago but cannot or the life of me remember much about it (one of the perils of late night viewing after a few sherbets) so I started again from S1 E1.

It's not bad. They spent a few bob on it to make it fairly believable. About a manned mission to Mars by some Bezos squillionaire with a BFO mystery to it. Very short episodes (around 22-24 minutes) so presumably came from a commercial channel. Banged off the first five last night in double time.

Worth a peak.


In similar "worth a peak" vein is Gold Diggers (Ch 4/All4). Sex/murder series set in Moscow. There is a colossal amount of shagging in it (which I would have loved when I was 17 but frankly, fifty years later, bores me). All the women are stunningly beautiful, the men are all rich and well groomed, all cars are Merc S types, everybody lives in a swish penthouse etc etc.

You know the ugly duckling of a dowdy provincial girl is going to turn into a drop dead gorgeous swan before the end of the show.

It is pretty vacuous and sleazy and is clearly not much of a reflection of the criminal shithole that is Moscow but I liked it. Not least because I have never seen a programme set in Moscow (not since Gorky Park anyway, and that was filmed in Helsinki)
Point of order, if l may, old chap. Walter Hill filmed part of his Arnold Schwarzenegger/James Belushi buddy mismatched cop film, " Red Heat", on the actual Red Square in Moscow, with some cooperation with the Soviet government, whilst the actual Cold War was going on.

What strings Hill and the movie's producers had to go through l don't know, but I would assume something along the lines of the deal done to get Oswald back from the USSR in time for his brief trip to Dallas.
 
Quentin Tarantino wants to remake First Blood, he named Adam Driver as John Rambo, Kurt Russel as the sheriff.

I'd watch that.
Now that would be interesting to watch. Would it be like the movie, where Rambo is the good guy, the sheriff is the bad guy and Rambo survives? Or would it be like the book, where Rambo is the bad guy, the sheriff is a much more sympathetic character and Trautman kills Rambo at the end?
 

Himmler74

On ROPS
On ROPs
Now that would be interesting to watch. Would it be like the movie, where Rambo is the good guy, the sheriff is the bad guy and Rambo survives? Or would it be like the book, where Rambo is the bad guy, the sheriff is a much more sympathetic character and Trautman kills Rambo at the end?
The thought is it would reflect the book.
 

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