What systemic issues would you change in the MOD or in the single Services?

Yokel

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Nevermind that - when has a submarine ever acted as an escort for a surface warship?
 
Montreux Covention forbade non Black Sea submarines and aircraft carriers. If there is a submarine, my money would be on a Turkish one as the RN and TurN get on pretty well.
Mine was an American one and I don't think subs are covered by that convention.. I would like the comfort of knowing the sailors on Duncan had a silent and unseen escort, because the alternative is we are risking mens lives for a headline.
 
The point was made at work today that we will always fail because the CoC can’t be questioned. So a CO who has never been a CO before will live in an echo chamber for two years and not understand where they’re going wrong. My current boss is happy to be questioned, his 1UP not so much.
 

Cold_Collation

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The point was made at work today that we will always fail because the CoC can’t be questioned. So a CO who has never been a CO before will live in an echo chamber for two years and not understand where they’re going wrong. My current boss is happy to be questioned, his 1UP not so much.
"Don't bring me problems, bring me solutions."
 
As you gasp in astonishment, the self same people are burnt out.
Nope, that isn't what I am seeing.

In fact, the reverse - it's very much a way of working that energises those engaged in it.​
I can't help thinking it would prob'ly be for the best if you would simply STFU pontificating about things of which you have zero understanding, and even less experience :thumleft:
 
Mine was an American one and I don't think subs are covered by that convention.. I would like the comfort of knowing the sailors on Duncan had a silent and unseen escort, because the alternative is we are risking mens lives for a headline.
As someone who has a working knowledge of the Montreux Conventions, non Black Sea Riparian states may not take a submarine into the Black Sea - or aircraft carriers. The Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs administers it on behalf of the States Party - which includes the US - moreover there is no way of sneaking one into the Black Sea through the Turkish Straits.
 
As someone who has a working knowledge of the Montreux Conventions, non Black Sea Riparian states may not take a submarine into the Black Sea - or aircraft carriers. The Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs administers it on behalf of the States Party - which includes the US - moreover there is no way of sneaking one into the Black Sea through the Turkish Straits.
I checked and you can take any ship you like under 15,000 Tons.. So a 7-8,000 ton nuclear submarine is perfectly allowable.
 
I checked and you can take any ship you like under 15,000 Tons.. So a 7-8,000 ton nuclear submarine is perfectly allowable.
There are aggregate tonnage limits of 15,000 tons for non-Black Sea ships (which allows for two x Type 45 class vessels) and submarines are not permitted (Article 12 limits submarines to 'Black Sea Powers' only). There are also gun calibre limitations reflecting technology of the time. 14 Days notification must be made to the Turkish MFA and all High contracting Parties are advised of the movements in and out of the Black Sea.

However, large ships, submarines and aircraft carriers can visit Turkish ports up as far as the northern entrance to the Bosporus; as there are very few places to anchor north of Istanbul, the Saray Burnu berth on the Golden Horn is where visiting ships go.
 
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moreover there is no way of sneaking one into the Black Sea through the Turkish Straits.
unless- of course you happen to have them there when you annex somewhere and happen to have them there in the first place. But of course I don't know if they have an aircraft carrier or subs there. But if these conventions go back to 1936, wasn't the USSR one of the parties?
 
unless- of course you happen to have them there when you annex somewhere and happen to have them there in the first place. But of course I don't know if they have an aircraft carrier or subs there. But if these conventions go back to 1936, wasn't the USSR one of the parties?
The USSR was a High Contracting Party and Russia is the recognised successor state - and, of course, had a naval base on the Black Sea which they were renting - from the Ukrainians!
 
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There are aggregate tonnage limits of 15,000 tons for non-Black Sea ships (which allows for two x Type 45 class vessels) and submarines are not permitted (Article 12 limits submarines to 'Black Sea Powers' only). There are also gun calibre limitations reflecting technology of the time. 14 Days notification must be made to the Turkish MFA and all High contracting Parties are advised of the movements in and out of the Black Sea.

However, large ships, submarines and aircraft carriers can visit Turkish ports up as far as the northern entrance to the Bosporus; as there are very few places to anchor north of Istanbul, the Saray Burnu berth on the Golden Horn is where visiting ships go.
Nuclear powered submarines do not form part of the convention and that is simply a fact.
 
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