What systemic issues would you change in the MOD or in the single Services?

mrdude

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You've clearly not met him! Pleasantly right wing. Liberal conservative, but one who has faced prejudice over the years.
If you think people are prejudice - try being a white guy with an Indian/Pakistani girlfriend - go and visit her family and you'll know all about people being prejudice.

Point is - it happens to everyone, everywhere on some level or other - if some people can't handle that, maybe being part of the human race is not for them.
 
Crash has been very Ill and permanently off work since June 2019. He came in for a lot of rather nasty and spiteful comments both on Arrse and on other social media, so he closed this and other accounts. He was also fed up with the homophobic/xenophobic/racist diatribe that sadly infests this site, in spite of the efforts of the MODs. What is it with SM that makes people post such shitty and personal comments? They wouldn't say it to anyone in person.

The good news is that radical immunotherapy has apparently held the cancer back and he is devoting time to his family and recovering from a range of treatment side effects.

I see him from time to time and was helping him with a separate research project, but he had little capacity for this additional research and regretfully suspended it. He last piece of published work was in the last Air and Space Power Review, on the defeat of the V2s and post-war exploitation of German technologies by Britain.
Thanks.

Good poster, I'm sure it's not just me wishes him well.
 
If you think people are prejudice - try being a white guy with an Indian/Pakistani girlfriend - go and visit her family and you'll know all about people being prejudice.

Point is - it happens to everyone, everywhere on some level or other - if some people can't handle that, maybe being part of the human race is not for them.
That doesnt make racism any more acceptable, however.
 

mrdude

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That doesnt make racism any more acceptable, however.
It's part of life though - every country in the world and every race in the world has racism and prejudices. You can bitch about that all you want - but it's human nature and the exact same thing happens in the animal kingdom - animals don't like other animals invading their territory, look at lions, wolves etc. In fact it even comes down to the microscopic biological levels where cells will kill each other. At the end of the day - we are complex animals that have just evolved - it's in our DNA to protect our own interests - some people will call that prejudice - but it's just natures way of making sure that the strong survive and the weak don't.
 
It's part of life though - every country in the world and every race in the world has racism and prejudices. You can bitch about that all you want - but it's human nature and the exact same thing happens in the animal kingdom - animals don't like other animals invading their territory, look at lions, wolves etc. In fact it even comes down to the microscopic biological levels where cells will kill each other. At the end of the day - we are complex animals that have just evolved - it's in our DNA to protect our own interests - some people will call that prejudice - but it's just natures way of making sure that the strong survive and the weak don't.
The difference is what you do with them
 

mrdude

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What, stand aside and not challenged homophobic/xenophobic/racist behaviour?
Yep - why should the NON PC be forced to listen to the PC. Your beliefs are no more important than mine or anyone else's. You might feel you have the moral high ground, others will just see you as hypocrite. You think everyone should think the same way you do, yet you fail to understand that not everyone wants to or sees things from your perspective.
 
Yep - why should the NON PC be forced to listen to the PC. Your beliefs are no more important than mine or anyone else's. You might feel you have the moral high ground, others will just see you as hypocrite. You think everyone should think the same way you do, yet you fail to understand that not everyone wants to or sees things from your perspective.
Steady there Tiger.

Nothing like forcing pregnant women in the Serives to have abortions (until 1995) or forcing out gay personnel because of whom they loved (1999) or being allowed to discriminate employment based on skin colour (1976) to create a harmonious society. This isn't PC (sic), it happens to be the law.

How is that being hypocritical?

Feel free to live on a theocratic society that is "un PC" such as pre 1990s Ireland or IRoI or KSA. Or Pakistan, for that matter. Your views would be most welcome I'm sure.

I've related the story elsewhere on ARRSE when, as an adjutant, in 1993/4 I had to escort a young student pilot off camp for being gay, having been ousted by a P&SS "town team" that toured gay venues specifically to entrap SP. Two weeks later he committed suicide.
 
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mrdude

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This isn't PC (sic), it happens to be the law.
Only in the UK, and that law is quite recent - in some countries the law is very different. It depends where you live. There's also a law that says you must carry a bale of hay in your vehicle at all times, it's also illegal to eat mice on xmas day. If you put a stamp on upside down - that's an act of treason.

Just because something is the law in UK doesn't make it right for everyone in the world - and you can't change the way people think, no matter what the law says.
 
Steady there Tiger.

Nothing like forcing pregnant women in the Serives to have abortions (until 1995) or forcing out gay personnel because of whom they loved (1999) or being allowed to discriminate employment based on skin colour (1976) to create a harmonious society. This isn't PC (sic), it happens to be the law.

I've related the story elsewhere on ARRSE when, as an adjutant, in 1993/4 I had to escort a young student pilot off camp for being gay, having been ousted by a P&SS "town team" that toured gay venues specifically to entrap SP. Two weeks later he committed suicide.

How is that being hypocritical?
Laws are supposed to change the way folk INSTINCTIVELY react, think, behave, feel ?!

How very 1984 :(
 
Only in the UK, and that law is quite recent - in some countries the law is very different. It depends where you live. There's also a law that says you must carry a bale of hay in your vehicle at all times, it's also illegal to eat mice on xmas day. If you put a stamp on upside down - that's an act of treason.

Just because something is the law in UK doesn't make it right for everyone in the world - and you can't change the way people think, no matter what the law says.
Erm, a load of urban myths there. The Treason Acts of 1351 and 1534 make no mention of stamps; not surprising really as postage stamps weren't invented until the early Victorian period. The 'bale of hay" referred to Hansom Cabs. I could go on.

And yes these are the laws in England and they are obligatory. If you dont like laws, lobby your MP and launch a campaign to change them (part of our democratic legacy), or live elsewhere if you find them intolerable.
 
What, stand aside and not challenged homophobic/xenophobic/racist behaviour?
Challenging is one thing, but the rhetorical device of turning the source of the criticism into the object of criticsm is a fallacy as is the extremely long elasticity applied by the equivocation of the term 'homophobia' so that it stretches around every critical posture that is made about homosexuality for example. A common device is to argue that fear of any related matter is irrational. Not so, it is relative, just as hatred also is. The PC brigade demand complete tolerance for minorities........yet they have none for,those of us from a different era, socialized within a different time frame based on a different value system. If you can resolve that issue and present an acceptable and inclusive case towards my generation, then, and only then we might have the basis for a conversation.
 
He was easily identifiable, and istr that he was due a job change. It's possible he just wanted to move on, or it's possible he wanted to carry on here but with a clean skin.
He had received several informal warnings about posting from his previous employer, about two years ago, because of the sensitivity of his role. I lurked for ages and only started to post when I left the RAF mid last year, because of the pressure on SP not to post on SocMed.
 
Only in the UK, and that law is quite recent - in some countries the law is very different. It depends where you live. There's also a law that says you must carry a bale of hay in your vehicle at all times, it's also illegal to eat mice on xmas day. If you put a stamp on upside down - that's an act of treason.

Just because something is the law in UK doesn't make it right for everyone in the world - and you can't change the way people think, no matter what the law says.
Actually the laws are pretty similar across most Western countries.
 
Jaron Lanier, Ten Arguments For Deleting Your Social Media Accounts Right Now might be a good starting point for working towards an answer.
Thank you for pointing me in that direction. I don't use Facebook or Twitter etc but this interview was very interesting:

 

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