What Standards Do We Expect From Government Ministers

#1
I'll give a few starters

To claim expenses within the spirit of the regulations and not manipulate the rules to maximise their income (Ministerial pay shopuld be adequate)

To ensure that their family finances are conducted in a proper manner free from suspicion of improper earnings deals etc etc.

To ensure that those acting on their behalf ie political fund raisers, election agents/helpers act not just within the letter of the law but openly and within the spirit of the law

To ensure that all statements made are both factual and truthfull.
 
#2
Hmmmm - maybe rewording the thread to read - What Standards should we be xpecting Government Minister to live up to.

What I expect from current Ministers is ambiguity, downright lying, taking as much money from whatever source, clamping down on the truth and in general having standards that would leave a mugger embarrassed!
 
#4
Lower than the nipples on a pregnant dachshund?
 
#5
Taking RMs first point - expectations to live up to.

I expect all MPs to follow the rules - if the rules aren't working then they should be changed.

Therefore, with expenses, the rules should be changed. All expenses receipted and audited.
 
#6
Pettines, political correctness, obstruction, evasion, oppression, dishonesty, duplicity, hypocricy, double-standards, devil worship and depravity
 
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#8
Sven said:
Taking RMs first point - expectations to live up to.

I expect all MPs to follow the rules - if the rules aren't working then they should be changed.

Therefore, with expenses, the rules should be changed. All expenses receipted and audited.
Must be nice, living in Utopia.

Who decides that the rules are not working?

Who gets to change the rules?
 
#10
cloudbuster said:
Sven said:
Taking RMs first point - expectations to live up to.

I expect all MPs to follow the rules - if the rules aren't working then they should be changed.

Therefore, with expenses, the rules should be changed. All expenses receipted and audited.
Must be nice, living in Utopia.

Who decides that the rules are not working?

Who gets to change the rules?
Certainly not MPs. Take the present expenses controversy - who is looking into it?
 
#11
A return to the convention of Ministerial Responsibility would be good: collective and individual. I.e. if a minister isn't comfortable with the policies or standards of the government they keep schtum or resign and challenge the government from the back-benches or if a department screws up, the minister accepts responsibility and resigns.

As this government has not time for conventions though, as seen by their wanton trashing of the convention parts of our constitution, it'll be a cold day in Hell before they live up to the old values and standards. :x
 
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#12
Sven said:
cloudbuster said:
Sven said:
Taking RMs first point - expectations to live up to.

I expect all MPs to follow the rules - if the rules aren't working then they should be changed.

Therefore, with expenses, the rules should be changed. All expenses receipted and audited.
Must be nice, living in Utopia.

Who decides that the rules are not working?

Who gets to change the rules?
Certainly not MPs. Take the present expenses controversy - who is looking into it?
So we'll see turkeys voting for Christmas this year?
 
#13
Having seen a good friend of mine suspended for two years (without pay) as a civil servant for over claiming £4.50 (the charge was later dropped and back pay given) and myself having to receipt every last shekel I claimed and then I watch these professional politicians steal and thieve from the public it makes me sick ..........anyone wishing to be a politician should be automatically barred from becoming one.....bring back the robber barons at least we knew where we stood
 
#15
rickshaw-major said:
Hmmmm - maybe rewording the thread to read - What Standards should we be xpecting Government Minister to live up to.

What I expect from current Ministers is ambiguity, downright lying, taking as much money from whatever source, clamping down on the truth and in general having standards that would leave a mugger embarrassed!
I woud suggest that your expect should read 'get' it is here now today and yesterday.

I expect a hell of a lot better, just I don't get what I expect.
 
#17
Cloudbuster

I refer you to the recent amendment the government wanted to put into the recent Expenses Act, the amendment preventing FOI requests about expenses.

The one that was dropped because it would have been voted out of the bill.


Yes turkeys vote for Christmas
 
#18
Sven said:
Taking RMs first point - expectations to live up to.

I expect all MPs to follow the rules - if the rules aren't working then they should be changed.

Therefore, with expenses, the rules should be changed. All expenses receipted and audited.
So you think it is OK for Ministers to use the rules to their personal benefit, even when the rules were intended merely to compensate for neccessary additional expenditure.
 
#19
maxi_77 said:
Sven said:
Taking RMs first point - expectations to live up to.

I expect all MPs to follow the rules - if the rules aren't working then they should be changed.

Therefore, with expenses, the rules should be changed. All expenses receipted and audited.
So you think it is OK for Ministers to use the rules to their personal benefit, even when the rules were intended merely to compensate for neccessary additional expenditure.
If that's what she did and the rules are not working, then see the bit of my previous post I have so helpfully highlighted.
 
#20
Flick to the last page of the Ministerial Code - the Seven Principles of Public Life

Selflessness

Integrity

Objectivity

Accountability

Openness

Honesty

Leadership


I invite you all to point out instances where standards have fallen short of these principles. Stand by for a 100+ page thread! Alternatively, identify instances in which these standards have been upheld - we might get a second page if we are lucky!
 

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