What Regiment is this Chap in?

#1
Gents can anyone help by identifying, what regiment this chap is in ? The photo is from a family photo album that contains photos of a number of Victorian soldiers. I have identified the others as Gunners and infantry. This one is I belive Heavy Cav and may possibly be wearing a Crimea pair of medals?

This Album has been passed down from my Grandmother’s branch of the family and the others I have already identified as having the same Sir name LEE.

I have checked ,“Forgotten Heroes, The Charge of the Heavy Brigade”(by Roy Dutton). I find that there were three LEEs in the Charge. 1 x 1st Dragoons (The Royals) and 2x 5th Dragoons Guards (Princess Charlotte of Wales). However I don’t think the man in the photo is any of these, as the uniform is not right (I think).

Also having worked with HCR a couple of times I am very aware that Badges of rank are totally different from the Infantry. So could anyone point me to what Rank/Appointment he could be before I start looking through the muster rolls at Kew.
Many thanks.
FEASG
 

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#2
His rank appears to be Sergeant Major. I have a photo of 1st Dragoons and the rank looks similar. However, their plume was dark, not white. The white was worn by 4th Dragoons. If he had been Life Guards there would have been a stripe down the centre of his white crosspiece.
 
#4
Isn't his sword the 1853 Light Cavalry pattern (same sword used by Gunners today)? If so, that would indicate a light cav regiment, or even a militia gunner unit that happened to wear plumed helmets?
 
#5
Thanks, the plume had caused me to wonder if he was Life Guards (transferred over).
The cross belt did cause me to wonder as it has some sort of ribbing on it , but I think this is part of a thumb print on the original Neg/glass plate.

The LEE in the 1st Dragoons was the RSM, who was latter commissioned but the Plume would seem to count him out
 
#6
Isn't his sword the 1853 Light Cavalry pattern (same sword used by Gunners today)? If so, that would indicate a light cav regiment, or even a militia gunner unit that happened to wear plumed helmets?
Haven’t even considered this, thanks
 
#7
6th Dragoon Guards (Carabiniers)? They mixed elements of light and heavy cavalry dress and fought in the Crimea.
 

sirbhp

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#8
not a piss take : you chaps are really good at this identification stuff egh . Seriously I was wondering why his trousers were too long , would it be that they fit once tucked in to riding boots or just a photographers prop.
 
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not a piss take : you chaps are really good at this identification stuff egh . Seriously I was wondering why his trousers were too long , would it be that they fit once tucked in to riding boots or just a photographers prop.

The trousers seem to disappear into the boots just below the knee, but the boots do look odd as if they have some sort of loose cover, so there may be some studio jiggery-pokery. Even the sword appears to run out of steam at the pointy end:

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Fang_Farrier

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#15
The trousers seem to disappear into the boots just below the knee, but the boots do look odd as if they have some sort of loose cover, so there may be some studio jiggery-pokery. Even the sword appears to run out of steam at the pointy end:

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Could it be coveralls? Trousers over boots, hence bagginess to allow them to fit over?
 
#19
Could be but if you compare the Helmet plates the 6th DG officers (see below0 does not seem half as ornate as the one in my photo.
Is that the right period though? The 1871 pattern is considerably less gaudy than the 1847 version.

Do a Google image search for "6th dragoon guards helmet" (no quotes) and you get a couple of different versions, there's a picture in a Scots DG booklet I've got that shows a much more ornate plate than the one you've posted.
 
#20
Couple of negatives for elimination purposes!

The jacket looks a lighter colour than his overalls, ie probably red. The Carabiniers wore blue jackets with a distinctive white collar (and cuffs), so it's probably not them.

I don't think it is John Lee, RSM of the Royals at Balaclava, I've researched him because he's buried in our local churchyard in Worcestershire. Photo here.

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